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[asl20bball]

koodos to F&G for using them IMHO. Bottom line is don't break the law and you won't get in trouble.

[pianoman9701]

So in answer to the OP's question about "how does this make us look?", it makes law abiding hunters look just fine. You're talking about the actions of would-be poachers and law breakers. Not the actions of good and ethical hunters. I'd help them set up the decoy and then, help them take it down at the end of the day. In WA, in a department rife with politics and BS game management based on public opinion and pressure from the greenies, this is one section that's doing their job well - enforcement.

[bobcat]

In WA, in a department rife with politics and BS game management based on public opinion and pressure from the greenies, this is one section that's doing their job well - enforcement.

 .  Really? 

I take it you haven't read "Operation Cody?"

[pianoman9701]

In WA, in a department rife with politics and BS game management based on public opinion and pressure from the greenies, this is one section that's doing their job well - enforcement.

 .  Really? 

I take it you haven't read "Operation Cody?"

I have read it and you're trying to be argumentative - your favorite pastime. I'm talking about the LEs in the field not enforcement hierarchy.

[Curly]

I just watched the show "Wardens" the other day where they did the sting operation deal with a cow elk with a motorized head.  They got a lot of guys for shooting out of the vehicle, or shooting while leaning against the vehicle and no orange.  Even some guys with no tag.  It was a good episode (they all are really).

Montana (where "Wardens" is filmed) has even more strict laws about shooting from roads, so they really can bust people for not getting all the way outside the road right of way.  One guy did a pretty good job of getting out of the truck and walking all the way to the fenceline and then shooting at the cow by resting on the fence.  They didn't ticket him, but told him they could because technically he wasn't supposed to be shooting from the road side of the fence.

[pianoman9701]

I just watched the show "Wardens" the other day where they did the sting operation deal with a cow elk with a motorized head.  They got a lot of guys for shooting out of the vehicle, or shooting while leaning against the vehicle and no orange.  Even some guys with no tag.  It was a good episode (they all are really).

Montana (where "Wardens" is filmed) has even more strict laws about shooting from roads, so they really can bust people for not getting all the way outside the road right of way.  One guy did a pretty good job of getting out of the truck and walking all the way to the fenceline and then shooting at the cow by resting on the fence.  They didn't ticket him, but told him they could because technically he wasn't supposed to be shooting from the road side of the fence.

I'm impressed by their very professional but easy going nature when they deal with people. The attitude there seems much more "customer service" oriented than a lot of places, like WA and OR. My interactions here have all been very professional, but laid back or friendly are not adjectives I'd use.

[Curly]

 
I hope our LE are watching that show and learn from them.  They seem like really likeable wardens.  (I have encountered a couple wardens in this state that were good too, but its been 20 or more years now).

[pianoman9701]

Like I said, our guys have all been professional - no jerks. They just seem really uptight. The MT wardens seem very down to earth.

[REHJWA]

This season is the most I have ever been checked. I was checked once during deer season , twice during pheasant season , once during duck season  and just the weekend before last clam digging . These were all in differant parts of the state so I would say that a least enforcement is out there. All encounters were positive, and I liked seeing them out here in plain clothes while clam digging.

[pianoman9701]

Several times on the show, the wardens have said "this isn't the end of the world. It's just a ticket and you learned something." Trying to calm someone down and show some empathy. It's a really good trait in an LE.

[KFhunter]

finally got to watch that vid and I'm impressed at the media comments


"this just bugs the heck out of legal hunters"   THANK YOU!

It's nice to hear the distinction from media for once   

[pianoman9701]

Uh-huh. 

[Eli346]

I'm sure that if our LEO's were on tape and knew it was going to be televised they would act much more like the officers on 'Wardens'. As it is they know they aren't on TV so the interactions we have with them are much more 'varied' according to their dispositions and hunter reactions if you know what I mean.

[cryder]

anything that keeps people legal will is alright with me ,one part of it is ,for what we pay and as hard as we work to do it legally,I'm all for it !!some guy pulls up and shoots a elk from the front seat of his vehicle were in can see it !I'm looking for my pen and tag and it wont be to fill out my tag,I'm getting some plate numbers and head to the ranger station,so WATCH YOUR BACK VEHICLE HUNTERS !!,I'm definitely watching

[GregE]

I agree I hate that fact that they lump all the shooters as hunters in most stories. 

The 30% number might be a bit skewed in that they know where to put those decoys so it'll get shot the most.

I figure most honest guys will be out of their rigs and hunting or in a camp,  not driving around down low just out of town a ways or in the middle of the night.


Also a "poacher" is not a "hunter" you can't be both you're either one or the other,  so a guy shooting a decoy without a tag is NOT a hunter,  so I take objection to the language that 30% of hunters will shoot that the decoy.  I see you stated 30% of people, that's a lot better.


Yes it's a black eye on hunters, even though it's not hunters shooting at the thing.

Well stated!!