Thoughts on this doe

[Mr Mykiss]

This is something new to me. It's not a yearling as far as I can see. I don't get it but I think it's pretty cool...thoughts

[duckmen1]

Odd but even though it's close to the camera it still looks the biggest. So definably not a fawn. But those spots are interesting.

[buckcanyonlodge]

I have a mulie doe that I have fed for the last seven years.. Her offspring have those spots even after a couple years ... genetics...

[REHJWA]

Are there fences in you area where the deer duck under?

[C-Money]

Very interesting. Never noticed a deer with that spot pattern. Thanks for posting.

[Mr Mykiss]

Are there fences in you area where the deer duck under?

Billions of em but they're not bald spots, they're spot spots.

[bowhunterwa87]

Neat looking

[tonymiller7]

It's the elusive skunk deer.

[jason stevens]

Hard to say I would of guessed fence.but could be genetics.wierd but cool.

[jackelope]

Tribal tattoo.
 

[singleshot12]

Her coats a diffent shade too... wonder if she's got a little exotic blood in her?

[jrebel]

   But she sure does look yummy...

[jason stevens]

It will make a nice hide and some tasty roasts.

[REHJWA]

It's to advertise the back straps...

[bigmacc]

Her coats a diffent shade too... wonder if she's got a little exotic blood in her?

I was thinking the same thing,you wonder if someone in her bloodline maybe got tangled up with one of those axis deer or some other farmed exotic in the past.

[Pygmy]

Possible Fallow deer genetics...

Southwest Washington - escaped Fallow deer
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=10978.0

Fallow deer ranch in Northeastern Washington - Selkirk Mtn's
http://schuermanranch.com/

[buckcanyonlodge]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

[singleshot12]

Not a cross breed Period!? .. People here and there all over this state have been known to raise exotics as live stock .

[buckcanyonlodge]

Period...As I said I have fed this particular mulie doe (winter,spring,summer,and fall) for 7 years and her offspring are the ones with the same spots along the spine as the one posted. I spend countless hours in the woods around this area and guess what...no Axis deer or other exotics have been seen by me or talked about by the locals. I have even seen this doe bred by a big 3x3 a couple years ago in my back yard.      So I'm gonna steal a favorite line from your beloved pres..."If you like your exotic theory, you can keep it. Period"

[Mr Mykiss]

Well there's a herd of roughly 400 deer that I try and keep tabs on in this area and I've yet to see one fallow or axis deer amongst em...or a decent buck

[Pygmy]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

How many Fallow deer does it take to establish Fallow deer genetics in a Mule deer herd with their offspring?  I believe the answer is one (1). 
How many times does a Fallow deer need to mate with a Mule deer in order to pass on it's genetics to the offspring?  I believe the answer is once.
Will the offspring pass those genetics off to future offspring?  Yes.
Do genetics transfer within larger groups of deer? Yes. 

'Period' is an assumption and not a definitive fact.

[Dave of TDG-Farms]

Period...As I said I have fed this particular mulie doe (winter,spring,summer,and fall) for 7 years and her offspring are the ones with the same spots along the spine as the one posted. I spend countless hours in the woods around this area and guess what...no Axis deer or other exotics have been seen by me or talked about by the locals. I have even seen this doe bred by a big 3x3 a couple years ago in my back yard.      So I'm gonna steal a favorite line from your beloved pres..."If you like your exotic theory, you can keep it. Period"

Well seeing how the offspring of an animal only care over 29% of their parents characteristic genetics, with the rest coming from the grand parents. It is possible the doe is the result of a cross. Thus making all her kids have the pattern... oh I guess I should add  Period. 

[buckcanyonlodge]

You guys crack me up. Has anyone on this forum Ever seen a Sitka deer or Fallow deer in the wild while hunting in Washington State? And then to think they are breeding mulie does is an unbelievable stretch of the imagination. Period....
And Billy Joe's cousin's neighbor's grandpa seen one in the Clockum does not count...PERIOD  ( My new favorite saying)

[Sitka_Blacktail]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

The Schuerman ranch that Pygmy linked above is less than 10 miles east of Colville off highway 20 and is most definitely in Stevens County. And their website pictures show pictures of Fallow deer and people who have harvested Fallow deer and a price list for hunting Fallow deer. I'd say there are or were at one time "exotics" in Stevens county.

Not saying this deer is a crossbreed, just that the possibility is there.

[buckcanyonlodge]

So this Fallow deer escaped the ranch 10 miles from Colville then traveled 50 miles across the Huckleberry Range and bred my tame doe or her grandparents in the back yard... Possible??  You guys REALLY crack me up..Period... Gotta go now and look for that Grizzly/ Black bear cross I've heard about up at Jeb's Uncle's neighbor's property.They do cross-breed..I saw it on the internet.

[Pygmy]

So this Fallow deer escaped the ranch 10 miles from Colville then traveled 50 miles across the Huckleberry Range and bred my tame doe or her grandparents in the back yard... Possible??  You guys REALLY crack me up..Period... Gotta go now and look for that Grizzly/ Black bear cross I've heard about up at Jeb's Uncle's neighbor's property.They do cross-breed..I saw it on the internet.

Everyone has heard about what goes on in that part of the state...with all species  - exclamation point.   

[Sitka_Blacktail]

So this Fallow deer escaped the ranch 10 miles from Colville then traveled 50 miles across the Huckleberry Range and bred my tame doe or her grandparents in the back yard... Possible??  You guys REALLY crack me up..Period... Gotta go now and look for that Grizzly/ Black bear cross I've heard about up at Jeb's Uncle's neighbor's property.They do cross-breed..I saw it on the internet.

I wasn't saying anything of the kind. Just pointing out that when you said there were no exotics in Stevens Country, you were wrong.

As for cross breeding, it can happen. A reason Sika deer are banned from Washington State is that they can cross breed with elk.

[turkeyfeather]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

Ok smart guy then what is your explanation. Cross bred with an exotic makes sense & is entirely possible. You posted the pic asking people what could be the cause.

[buckcanyonlodge]

 Sitka..  Guess I should have said   Wild Free Ranging exotics in Stevens County... The odds of it happening are  well...the same as Obama telling the truth.. Period

And turkeyfeather..I was NOT the one to post the picture asking what could be the cause...That was MrMykiss. By the way I would ask MrMykiss where he took the photo. Looks like somewhere in the sagebrush. So this Sitka/Fallow deer that bred my backyard doe travelled across eastern wash to breed MrMykiss' doe.. Busy guy..".Entirely possible".. You guys crack me up  Period

[turkeyfeather]

Sitka..  Guess I should have said   Wild Free Ranging exotics in Stevens County... The odds of it happening are  well...the same as Obama telling the truth.. Period

And turkeyfeather..I was NOT the one to post the picture asking what could be the cause...That was MrMykiss. By the way I would ask MrMykiss where he took the photo. Looks like somewhere in the sagebrush. So this Sitka/Fallow deer that bred my backyard doe travelled across eastern wash to breed MrMykiss' doe.. Busy guy..".Entirely possible".. You guys crack me up  Period

My mistake on you posting the pic. However you avoided the question.

[buckcanyonlodge]

I had already posted my theory (explanation) on the first page.. It helps to read all the posts. Thanks and have a nice day

[Mr Mykiss]

That's it. I'm considering that doe to be an exotic and I'm gonna find her and shoot her this weekend!! I'm pulling names off this thread to testify at my trial...

[turkeyfeather]

I had already posted my theory (explanation) on the first page.. It helps to read all the posts. Thanks and have a nice day

Oh I saw what you said. Genetics. That is exactly what I think. Genetics from another species. Or maybe it was Aliens hmmmm.......

[buckcanyonlodge]

It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn 
 

[turkeyfeather]

It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn 

It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.

[stickbuck]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

Since 1997 when I started bowhunting the Colville area, I have seen these same markings on 15-20 whitetail does in the area I hunt. I've only seen the the striped spots during the early season as they walk directly under my treestand. Definitely an interesting thing to see. Definitely not a cross breed trait as I know people in adjacent units that have seen it as well.

[buckcanyonlodge]

It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn 

It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.

Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying   PERIOD    And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes              PERIOD

[turkeyfeather]

It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn 

It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.

Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying   PERIOD    And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes              PERIOD

I thought you were out.    Well come back and let us know when you come up with an idea of how it happens then. Bye-bye

[buckcanyonlodge]

It would have just as much chance of being an Alien crossbreed as it has of being a Sitka/Fallow crossbreed.. Just sayin.. and Mr Mykiss ..I would have to testify Against you in a court of law Sorry but I can not tell a lie..... Thanks guys It's been fun but I ran out of popcorn 

It's comical that someone who has no answers knows for a fact. Period. Here's your sign.

Tried to keep it comical... Don't you love how I got you guys saying   PERIOD    And it seems to me my answer(genetics) are just as good as yours. Have you EVER seen one of these spotted along the back deer? I have and I have lived with them everyday. You or anyone else can not convince me the deer in my yard are Sitka/Fallow crossbreeds. And here it comes              PERIOD

I thought you were out.    Well come back and let us know when you come up with an idea of how it happens then. Bye-bye

I refuse to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person.      Ouch

[Mr Mykiss]

OMG boys!!
It's slow and I'm bored so I posted a couple of pics of a freakin doe with kinda cool spots...

[singleshot12]

There are no exotics up here in Stevens County and we have deer that look Exactly like the one posted. Not a cross breed.Period

How many Fallow deer does it take to establish Fallow deer genetics in a Mule deer herd with their offspring?  I believe the answer is one (1). 
How many times does a Fallow deer need to mate with a Mule deer in order to pass on it's genetics to the offspring?  I believe the answer is once.
Will the offspring pass those genetics off to future offspring?  Yes.
Do genetics transfer within larger groups of deer? Yes. 

'Period' is an assumption and not a definitive fact.

  Very likely and very possible period! Mule deer just don't get rows of spots on their back out of the blue

[Pygmy]

That's it. I'm considering that doe to be an exotic and I'm gonna find her and shoot her this weekend!! I'm pulling names off this thread to testify at my trial...

I got your back;D

[turkeyfeather]

OMG boys!!
It's slow and I'm bored so I posted a couple of pics of a freakin doe with kinda cool spots...

I have been bored and feeling a little feisty all day. Get's the blood going. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Sitka..  Guess I should have said   Wild Free Ranging exotics in Stevens County... The odds of it happening are  well...the same as Obama telling the truth.. Period

I won't argue with your odds. I never bet against the house. But escaped farm animals is a fairly serious problem all over the country. In some  cases the result is the spread of disease such as Chronic Wasting Disease, Tuberculosis, and Brucellosis. But it can also cause cross breeding and introduction of exotic genes into wild deer and elk populations. It's actually a pretty big worry in places like Texas that has a big exotic hunting industry along with a huge whitetail deer population. The other problem with exotic escapees is if they get established they can be hard to get rid of as is the case with wild boars. Or they can displace a local native game population that doesn't compete as well.

Here's a list of some game farm escapes that one guy has compiled and it's not a complete list by any means. And besides game, fish farms are just as guilty. There is evidence of farmed Atlantic Salmon escapees getting a foothold here on the West Coast.

http://chronic-wasting-disease.blogspot.com/2013/09/cwd-cervid-captive-livestock-escapes.html

Here's a story from Maine about escaped Fallow Deer.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/14/news/midcoast/nobleboro-deer-farm-owner-disputes-claims-about-escaped-animals/?ref=relatedBox

Now I don't know to what extent exotics were raised in Eastern Washington before the ban, but if there were more ranches with them besides the one Pygmy linked to, it's very possible one or more escaped and bred with local deer. And who knows where any hybridized deer ended up?

Hopefully you are right and there aren't any, period.

[wadu1]

Are there fences in you area where the deer duck under?

Billions of em but they're not bald spots, they're spot spots.

You're spot on, and neat

[huntnnw]

years ago by deer park I had a buck that had 4 rows of spots like this...He also had a weird palmatted spike antlers. That same year about 1 mile away I saw a fallow buck in a field feeding..I figured there may have been some crossbreeding.