The Wolf Hide Is Being Pulled Down Over The Sportsman's Eyes!

[KFhunter]

People get on this site and pretend they're hunters then head over to the wolf threads all the time,  why is making a fake conservation group such a stretch?

I don't think anyone denies it can and does happen. The question is how to determine what a specific organization's true objectives are.

How do you figure out how to cast your vote?   Do you listen to all the rhetoric they spew?  or pull up their voting history?


On a charity group, conservation group etc etc look at money in money out to get your answer.

[KFhunter]

People get on this site and pretend they're hunters then head over to the wolf threads all the time,  why is making a fake conservation group such a stretch?

I think this happens far less frequently than you imagine...it wasn't long ago when you were trying to paint me as an anti-hunter despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.  I think in the absence of any real logic or data to support your position you and others like bearpaw resort to twisted conspiracies that only exist in your minds.     

I have yet to hear one thing BHA does that undermines the interest of public land hunters.  I understand some hunters who rely more on motorized vehicles might not like some of their positions...but please, give me some hard evidence of how they are undermining hunters. 

I haven't stated anything bad about BHA because I don't know anything about them, so I clicked this to see what was up.

The rest was just general truisms.



As for people getting on HW pretending their hunters that's been documented and verified.  If you're trying to convince me that we don't still have people doing the same thing under a new user name good luck with that.   

Furthermore;  I think pro-wolf groups have paid wolf advocates who's job it is to get on hunting sites all over the place in an effort to sway opinion, look for evidence of poaching, obfuscate anti-wolf threads and derail discussion on wolves.

At one time I considered you may be one of those people, that's true.

[Bob33]

People get on this site and pretend they're hunters then head over to the wolf threads all the time,  why is making a fake conservation group such a stretch?

I don't think anyone denies it can and does happen. The question is how to determine what a specific organization's true objectives are.

How do you figure out how to cast your vote?   Do you listen to all the rhetoric they spew?  or pull up their voting history?


On a charity group, conservation group etc etc look at money in money out to get your answer.

There is no pat answer. It takes research.

As I already pointed out, looking only at money in can be meaningless.

[KFhunter]

That's why I'm here Bob33 - I didn't know anything about this group prior to this thread and another one before this where they were mentioned (negatively)

I'm considering rejoining RMEF, but they really alienated me with their silence on the wolf issue.

[hunter399]

The RMEF gives all the kids something at the bighorn show (good enough for me no research needed)thats hitting the future of hunting 

[Bob33]

That's why I'm here Bob33 - I didn't know anything about this group prior to this thread and another one before this where they were mentioned (negatively)

I'm considering rejoining RMEF, but they really alienated me with their silence on the wolf issue.

Their silence irritated a lot of hunters. RMEF's primary objective has always been habitat preservation and enhancement. I think they either didn't recognize the magnitude of the wolf introduction, wanted to stay away from a polarizing issue, or didn't consider it to be within their scope of responsibility.

They have done an awful lot of good for habitat. They have recently become more engaged with the issue of wolves.

[hunter399]

Ya i know supporting then is like feeding the wolfs.But in the end the more elk the better and u get those address labels too.But i dont use them much,i just print my own labels with the pic i have in my avitar.Made that myself.I got the pic off a box of hypersonic rifle ammo by remington rifle ammo ,enlarged it ,changed the horns a little ,the background was yellow ,took an hour or two and had my own pic for my own labels.

[JLS]

Furthermore;  I think pro-wolf groups have paid wolf advocates who's job it is to get on hunting sites all over the place in an effort to sway opinion, look for evidence of poaching, obfuscate anti-wolf threads and derail discussion on wolves.

And that's a two way street.  It would not surprise me one bit if Toby Bridges' goal was to incite anti wolf angst in order to keep the cash flowing into Big Game Forever/Sportsmen for Wildlife. 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Bob33, I have a new found respect for you and your levelheadedness.

[wolfbait]

That's why I'm here Bob33 - I didn't know anything about this group prior to this thread and another one before this where they were mentioned (negatively)

I'm considering rejoining RMEF, but they really alienated me with their silence on the wolf issue.

Their silence irritated a lot of hunters. RMEF's primary objective has always been habitat preservation and enhancement. I think they either didn't recognize the magnitude of the wolf introduction, wanted to stay away from a polarizing issue, or didn't consider it to be within their scope of responsibility.

They have done an awful lot of good for habitat. They have recently become more engaged with the issue of wolves.

The best habitat in the world does no good if wolves kill off the elk etc.,. No wolf control means no game herds.

"Gordon Poirier of the Alberta Fish and Game Association said he’s aware of the skepticism over bounty programs, but said the combined take of hunters and trappers in the province don’t begin to control burgeoning wolf numbers.

“The wolf population is almost out of control,” he said."

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147669.0.html

[Bob33]

You're right. We should turn the Lolo unit into one big strip mall now.

[JLS]

You're right. We should turn the Lolo unit into one big strip mall now.

 

[bearpaw]

The bottom line is that numerous areas that used to be home to many of the world's best elk and shiras moose herds have been ravaged by wolves. Like it or not even the F&G agencies are finally admitting this: LOLO, SELWAY, BITTERROOT, YELLOWSTONE, MIDDLE FORK, etc, etc.

Groups and individuals who have protected wolves are directly responsible for these declines of elk and moose. Choose your groups that you support wisely or you will be contributing to the further decline of hunting opportunities one way or the other.

There are numerous groups out there that seem only concerned about their particular passion and the rest of us are just collateral damage in their greedy determination to have it all their way. These are especially the groups you need to be very cautious of, and it seems BHA fits right into that category. Their big push is for wilderness, the 90% of the population that will lose something when additional areas are designated as wilderness are just collateral damage, all that seems to matter to BHA is that they get more wilderness. This seems the reason for their creation and the reason for the big flow of money from green donors.

[idahohuntr]

Groups and individuals who have protected wolves are directly responsible for these declines of elk and moose. Choose your groups that you support wisely or you will be contributing to the further decline of hunting opportunities one way or the other.

There are numerous groups out there that seem only concerned about their particular passion and the rest of us are just collateral damage in their greedy determination to have it all their way.

So based on this logic will you disavow any more of the garbage from Lobo watch and toby bridges???  I can not possibly understand why someone so anti-wolf as yourself could possibly support or even consider a guy like him anything but garbage when he assails the one US Senator with the will to de-list wolves so they could be managed by states like Idaho and Montana.  If things were left to the federal judges there probably still would not be any wolf season...its insane to even suggest toby bridges or lobo watch has a shred of credibility on wolf issues. 

[wolfbait]

Groups and individuals who have protected wolves are directly responsible for these declines of elk and moose. Choose your groups that you support wisely or you will be contributing to the further decline of hunting opportunities one way or the other.

There are numerous groups out there that seem only concerned about their particular passion and the rest of us are just collateral damage in their greedy determination to have it all their way.

So based on this logic will you disavow any more of the garbage from Lobo watch and toby bridges???  I can not possibly understand why someone so anti-wolf as yourself could possibly support or even consider a guy like him anything but garbage when he assails the one US Senator with the will to de-list wolves so they could be managed by states like Idaho and Montana.  If things were left to the federal judges there probably still would not be any wolf season...its insane to even suggest toby bridges or lobo watch has a shred of credibility on wolf issues. 

I can understand your anger with Toby, he tells it how it is, which is not exactly what you want people to see or hear. Funny how easy it is to recognize people who are for wolves and wilderness, they seem to always call the other side"extremist". Take a look in the mirror and ask yourself, what others see in you.

If there would have been a "judge" that wasn't bought and paid for by the Clintons, I'm sure we would not be in the spot we are today. AND Before that if the USFWS would have been run by an honest person, the Canadian wolves would never have been released in the lower 48 in the first place. You probably don't like people to say that either.