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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2014, 04:54:37 PM »
Quote from: huntrights link=topic=147689.msg1972063#msg1972063 date=139362956
 It appears legislation is the only way to do this.
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No,  In my area school administrators are voted in or out by the voters.  It's these liberal people who vote in these liberal school administrators.  We don't need more unenforceable laws that will be ignored by the current crop of liberals in education.   :twocents:
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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2014, 07:14:08 PM »

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?


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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2014, 12:49:01 PM »

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?

Parents with balls!   
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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2014, 12:55:05 PM »

 :twocents:
It's primarily some teachers, principles, school administrators and other school staff that make pop-tarts chewed in to the shape of guns, Lego guns, index fingers with thumbs-up (gun form), a piece of paper shaped like a gun etc. into an extreme big deal and decide to suspend/expel children for such horrifying "weapons-related" infractions which include getting the police involved in some cases. 

The point is that anti-gun zealots that are in some school systems are abusing the "Zero Tolerance" policies to traumatize children into believing anything related to guns is "BAD".  Read the examples given; they are very real.  Other states are proposing laws to curb this very obvious abuse of "Zero Tolerance" policies because the situation is out of control.  Abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies needs to be reined-in, or they will continue to be abused and misapplied.

Traumatizing children and ruining their future with an unwarranted weapons-related mark on their record resulting from abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies is wrong.

If not legislation, then what will curb the abuse and misapplication of "Zero Tolerance" policies?

Parents with balls!

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2014, 04:27:00 PM »

Some may choose to joke about this, but it's not a joking matter

The parents of these kids have to hire attorneys, at their own expense, to fight against these ludicrous charges that result in suspension or expulsion from school and a tarnished record. 

Imagine your kid getting suspended for displaying a "Level 2 lookalike firearm" and the lookalike firearm was his finger.  "Level 2 lookalike firearm" is now in his record.  This is not a joke; it just happened in Columbus, OH.  This will be another example added to the list of examples.


Columbus, OH - March 2014

Boy, 10, Suspended for Making Gun with Fingers
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/03/04/boy-10-suspended-for-level-2-lookalike-firearm-usage/


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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2014, 06:01:45 PM »
Continued from the initial post on page 1 of this thread due to character limitations in a single post.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,147689.0.html



This abuse will continue to happen until laws are put in place to stop it.


Examples of “Zero Tolerance” policies out of control:
Note: In some cases, the charges may have been withdrawn.  However, the child has already been traumatized by the abuse of the “Zero Tolerance” policies.

If you know of more examples, post them here.  It’s important to expose these abuses for all to see.


Columbus, OH - March 2014

Boy, 10, Suspended for Making Gun with Fingers
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/03/04/boy-10-suspended-for-level-2-lookalike-firearm-usage/

Related article:
Ohio Fifth-Grader Suspended for Exposing Other Students to a ‘Level 2 Lookalike Firearm’ (Guess What It Was)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/04/ohio-fifth-grader-suspended-for-exposing-other-students-to-a-level-2-lookalike-firearm-guess-what-it-was/

Related article:
"Boy suspended for bringing own hand to school"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/opinion/cevallos-kid-points-finger-gun/


Upstate New York - March 2014

"New York high school student suspended for NRA pro-2nd Amendment T-shirt"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/13/new-york-high-school-suspended-for-nra-pro-2nd-amendment-t-shirt/

Related article:
"Victory: NY School Reverses Suspension for Student Wearing NRA Shirt"
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2014/04/23/victory-ny-school-reverses-suspension-for-student-wearing-nra-shirt-n1828359


Ohio - March 2014

"High school senior jailed, kicked out of school and may lose Army dream because of pocket knife in car"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/18/high-school-senior-jailed-kicked-out-school-and-may-lose-army-dream-because/

Related article:
Attorney: School's overreaction to pocket knife may destroy teen's future
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/04/16/attorney-schools-overreaction-to-pocket-knife-may-destroy-teens-future/


Los Angeles, CA – April 2014

“‘Punished for Teaching Science’: Popular Teacher Suspended for ‘Research and Development of Imitation Weapons’”
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/18/punished-teaching-science-popular-teacher-suspended-research-development-imitation-weapons/


Widefield, Colorado – May 2014

“Child Disciplined for Thinking about a Gun”
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/2014/05/23/child-disciplined-for-thinking-about-a-gun/

Related article”
“Gun Picture Gets Boy In Trouble”
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Gun-Picture-Gets-Boy-in-Trouble-260059701.html


New Kensington, Pennsylvania – June 2014

“New Ken first-grader suspended for having toy gun; expulsion possible”
http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourallekiskivalley/yourallekiskivalleymore/6233750-74/simak-son-district#axzz34A6nuhum


Related article:
“First grader turns himself in for having toy gun, faces expulsion”
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/06/09/first-grader-turns-himself-in-for-having-toy-gun-faces-expulsion/


Florence, Arizona - February 2013

Ariz. high school student suspended over gun picture
http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Related link:
Florence student suspended over picture of gun
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/florence/florence-student-suspended-over-picture-of-gun

Related link:
High-school freshman suspended for having a picture of a gun
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/02/high-school-freshman-suspended-for-having-a-picture-of-a-gun/


SUMMERVILLE, SC - August 2014

Police, lawyer release statements on student's alleged dinosaur killing
http://www.nbc12.com/story/26319685/cops-summerville-high-school-student-arrested-after-writing-threatening-message-on-assignment


Wisconsin - September 2014

"Could This Tiny Picture Get an 11-Year-Old Boy Expelled from School?"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/09/02/could-this-tiny-picture-get-an-11-year-old-boy-expelled-from-school/

"11-year-old to be expelled for bringing a virtual gun to a virtual school?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkux-jSvQn8

Related article:
"Virtual School Practices Real Oppression, Bans Pixilated Firearms"
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/9/virtual-school-practices-real-oppression-bans-pixilated-firearms.aspx


Vernon, N.J. - April, 2014

Outrage of the Week: Zero-Tolerance Policies Now Exploited by Enterprising Bullies
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-zero-tolerance-policies-now-exploited-by-enterprising-bullies.aspx

Related Article:

Watch the video:
Ethan Chaplin, Student, Says He Was Suspended For Twirling Pencil
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/ethan-chaplin-student-suspended-twirling-pencil_n_5106069.html


Mobile, Ala. – October, 2014

“Crayon "Gun" Subjects 5-year-old to Suicide/Homicide Screening and Non-Violence "Contract"”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/10/crayon-gun-subjects-5yearold-to-suicide-homicide-screening-and-nonviolence-contract.aspx


Related article:

“Mobile County kindergartner asked to sign 'safety contract' after drawing a picture of gun”
http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/10/kindergartner_asked_to_sign_sa.html


Lewiston Maine – April, 2014

“Outrage of the Week: One Yellow Squirt Gun, Plus Zero Common Sense Enforcement, Equals 10-Day Suspension”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/4/outrage-of-the-week-one-yellow-squirt-gun-plus-zero-common-sense-enforcement-equals-10-day-suspension.aspx


Related article:

“School suspends 10th-grader for having bright yellow squirt gun”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/17/school-suspends-10th-grader-for-having-bright-yellow-squirt-gun/?advD=1248,142791


Milford, Mass. – November 2014

“School Suspends Fifth-Grader Armed with Finger, Childlike Imagination”
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2014/11/school-suspends-fifth-grader-armed-with-finger-childlike-imagination.aspx


Related article:

“Milford School Committee responds to suspension of 5th-grader”
http://www.milforddailynews.com/article/20141120/NEWS/141129132


Warner Robins, Georgia - August 2014

Child suspended for bringing NERF gun to school
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news/2014/08/06/nerf-gun-child-suspended-georgia/13702993/


Colorado Springs, Colorado – March 2015

“6-Year-Old Suspended For Pointing Fingers In The Shape Of A Gun”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/06/6-year-old-fingers-shape-of-gun-suspended_n_6813864.html


Atlantic City, N.J. - May 2015

Mother Says Son Suspended Over Nerf Bullet In New Jersey
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2015/05/14/mother-says-son-suspended-over-toy-bullet/

Related Article:

Finger-gun Slinger in Chief Rides Again, Conveys Hopeful Message to America's Kids
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150522/finger-gun-slinger-in-chief-rides-again-conveys-hopeful-message-to-americas-kids


Dallas Texas - September 2015

Texas high school student suspended over American flag T-shirt
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/20/texas-high-school-student-suspended-over-american-flag-t-shirt/


Gresham, OR - October 2015

Gresham eighth grader suspended for refusing to remove fallen soldier t-shirt
http://www.kptv.com/story/30225044/gresham-eighth-grader-suspended-for-an-image-on-his-t-shirt

Oregon middle school student suspended for wearing fallen soldier shirt showing gun
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oregon-8th-grader-suspended-wearing-fallen-soldier-shirt-article-1.2392168

Principal sends student home for patriotic shirt with gun
http://koin.com/2015/10/08/8th-grader-sent-home-for-patriotic-shirt-with-gun/


Brighton, Colorado - May 2016

Kindergartner Suspended for Princess Bubble Gun
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160527/outrage-of-the-week-kindergartner-suspended-for-princess-bubble-gun

Kindergartner Suspended For Bringing Bubble Gun To Class
http://5newsonline.com/2016/05/18/kindergartner-suspended-for-bringing-bubble-gun-to-class/


Manville, NJ - September 2016

Anti-gun-control video project gets H.S. student suspended
http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2016/09/high_school_student_reportedly_suspended_for_anti-.html

Reports: N.J. School Officials Suspend Student Over Pro-Gun Presentation
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160930/reports-nj-school-officials-suspend-student-over-pro-gun-presentation


Portsmouth, Va. - June 2016

"Portsmouth 7-year-old faces expulsion for bringing toy guns to school"
http://wavy.com/2016/06/14/portsmouth-7-year-old-faces-expulsion-for-bringing-toy-guns-to-school/


Autauga County, Alabama - April 2017

"Prattville High student gets one-year expulsion for water gun incident"
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/04/18/prattville-high-student-gets-one-year-expulsion-water-gun-incident/100577098/

"“F” Stands for Fail: School Jeopardizes Student’s Future for Possession of Squirt Gun"
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170421/f-stands-for-fail-school-jeopardizes-student-s-future-for-possession-of-squirt-gun


Trenton, Ohio – May 2017

“7th Grader “Likes” Toy Gun Photo on Instragram, Gets Suspended from School”
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170512/f-stands-for-fail-7th-grader-likes-toy-gun-photo-on-instragram-gets-suspended-from-school

“Middle school student suspended for 'liking' photo of gun on Instagram”
http://www.wbrc.com/story/35355907/middle-school-student-suspended-for-liking-photo-of-gun-on-instagram

“Instagram gun photo 'like' sparks alarm, suspensions at Butler County school”
http://www.wlwt.com/article/instagram-gun-photo-like-sparks-alarm-suspensions-at-butler-county-school/9612240



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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2014, 06:35:22 PM »
This crap has gone to far ...its time for people like us to take it back  :dunno: Sure is not like back in High school when I would pull up with a deer flung over the hood  :yike:  I know now days some hunters would think that's unethical but where I grew up it was a common thing !!!

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2014, 11:49:01 AM »

If you know people in Florida, encourage them to take action.   The NRA-ILA alert provides a very fast and easy copy and paste option to contact the Florida Representatives.

These bills must pass.

NRA-ILA ALERT

Florida Alert! Coming to the House Floor TOMORROW "Threat of Force" and "Pop Tart " Bills
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/3/alert!-coming-to-the-house-floor-tomorrow-threat-of-force-and-pop-tart-bills.aspx


"HB-89 by Representative Neil Combee is a bill to stop abusive prosecutors from using 10-20-LIFE to prosecute people who, in self-defense, threaten to use deadly force against an attacker as a means to stop an attack.

HB-7029 by the K-12 Education Committee and Representative Dennis Baxley is a bill to stop some of the unbelievable actions by school administrators against children who behave like children and point fingers at each other pretending to shoot guns etc."

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2014, 06:27:38 PM »
Maybe it's time to send all these school people a picture of Piers Morgan!  :twocents:
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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 09:09:22 AM »

Added to examples list on page 2 of this thread.

Ohio - March 2014

"High school senior jailed, kicked out of school and may lose Army dream because of pocket knife in car"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/18/high-school-senior-jailed-kicked-out-school-and-may-lose-army-dream-because/

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2014, 09:39:15 AM »


Excellent article:

Boy suspended for bringing own hand to school
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/opinion/cevallos-kid-points-finger-gun/

The ridiculous use, abuse, and irrational application of Zero Tolerance policies needs to be addressed.

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2014, 05:01:11 PM »

Added to list as a related article

Ohio - 2014

Attorney: School's overreaction to pocket knife may destroy teen's future
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2014/04/16/attorney-schools-overreaction-to-pocket-knife-may-destroy-teens-future/





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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2014, 06:25:56 PM »



Ordinary tools, such as pliers, screwdrivers and wrenches, are “weapons” and so a Chicago school was correct to punish a teacher who brought them to class for a visual aid, according to a new court decision.

The ruling from a federal court in Illinois technically dismissed a lawsuit brought on behalf of teacher Douglas Bartlett. He had been suspended without pay for four days “on the grounds that his use of the tools as visual aids endangered his students, despite the fact that all potentially hazardous items were kept out of the students’ reach.”

Where ELSE but Obamaville

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/

Judge says ordinary tools actually are 'weapons'

Affirms punishment against teacher who brought wrenches for visual aid

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99

WND reported a year ago when the case was filed – and the school’s actions were called political correctness run amok.

At the time, John Whitehead, of the Rutherford Institute, which brought the case on behalf of Bartlett, said, “Education truly suffers when school administrators exhibit such poor judgment and common sense, especially when it comes to their zealous misapplication of misguided zero tolerance policies. However, what makes this case stand out from the rest is that this latest victim of zero tolerance policies run amok happens to be a veteran school teacher.”

Bartlett had 17 years of experience in the classroom. While teaching a second grade class, the curriculum required a “tool discussion.”

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/judge-says-ordinary-tools-actually-are-weapons/#RQrsTHYLceC0tQPk.99
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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2014, 07:18:04 PM »
My 17yr old son has several shirts with NRA and guns on them. One is a Springfield Armory shirt with an AR15 on the back of it. I warned him that he might get in trouble and he said "well Grandpa told me that if I get kicked out of school for this shirt he will take me hunting until they let me back in school" lol

He wears at least two of them every week since school started and has never had a problem until about two weeks ago when a teacher finally told him to put a jacket over his Springfield Armory shirt. He laughed, walked away and said "this is my favorite shirt, call my Grandpa and tell him I can't wear it". He is still wearing the shirt to school and the teacher hasn't said a word since.

With the way things are today I am quite surprised he hasn't been kicked out but so far he has got away with it.

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Re: “Zero Tolerance” policies are out of control
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2014, 07:57:43 PM »
After reading this...  I think there is an agenda being pushed.    :dunno:        Yikes
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