Is Jay Kehne Using his position to funnel Info to Conservation NW?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

WASHINGTON FISH AND WILDLIFE COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE, OPERATING PRINCIPLES 1) I. Represent all citizens of the state (who own the resource), not constituents from a particular area or special interest.

Those rules don't say you can't work for any particular organization. They just say that if you're on the board, you have to represent everybody, not one particular group.

Notice the part where it says "not constituents from a particular area? That means if you live in say Chewelah, you have to also consider the people from Tacoma or Yakima.  And if you're from Bellingham, you have to also consider the people from Walla Walla and Vancouver.  Would you say that Jay Kehne only represents Omak since that is where he lives? Does he only represent elk and mule deer hunters because he belongs to the Rocky Mt Elk Foundation and the Mule Deer foundation?

Everybody has a special interest. You couldn't fill one seat on a board if being connected to a special interest group disqualified you.  All the rules state is you have to consider everyone when you're part of the board, you can't play favorites.  Just as if Bearpaw was on the board, he couldn't legally push an agenda that favored guides. And I'd trust him not to, unless there was clear evidence to the contrary.

[Knocker of rocks]

Other board members have a background in Big Gov, Universities, commercial fishing and the sport fishing industry.  Could any of them survive cherry picking scrutiny?

[KFhunter]

Other board members have a background in Big Gov, Universities, commercial fishing and the sport fishing industry.  Could any of them survive cherry picking scrutiny?

I don't know of any other damaging things they've tried to spearhead through respective to those other members' backgrounds 
Did the fisheries lawyer try to push through a damaging commercial fishery plan?  One that would leave hook and line sportsmen/women out to dry? 

If so, then axe em too.


Jay Khene rammed through a wolf plan that is so far out of line with what's reasonable for WA, there can be no doubt of his purpose on the commission.
Not only that but "they" (WDFW and the CNW partnership) fail to document packs we all know that are out there, they continue to drag their feet.

Please show me any reference where WDFW is coming up with strategies to get ahead of the wolves? 
They're not even in protecting our woodland caribou, what makes you think they give  about Elk/Moose?

[AspenBud]

click page two and read,  already been addressed.

That's what I thought..........

And idahohuntr, JLS, AspenBud, and I, aren't really hunters. We're spies for the "other side", right?

Boy it must be fun chasing shadows.

exactly, and I think Aspens comments on this thread really cement this in.  If this were my site I'd axe you for being a fake hunter.

His animosity towards H-W was really showing through.

Here's another good one, look for all ammo sales of the caliber used in the last six months within a certain range of the incident, see if a match can be made to a credit card, and then do something crazy like get a list of IP addresses hitting H-W (again, just because H-W doesn't collect that info doesn't mean the ISP's don't) and then see if any names match on the wolf forum. If you think that's not doable you got another thing coming.

Again, I think it's highly unlikely. But...

It sounds like a thinly veiled threat and implying perhaps I had something to do with this.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression you hadn't thought of what I mentioned. Next time I'll keep it to myself smart guy.

I'm not condoning the act, but the third S in Shoot Shovel and Shut up doesn't just apply after the act. If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

I'd find it pretty sad if someone from this forum got busted for poaching. Mostly because it would put hunters in a bad light at a time when we already have an image problem with the non-hunting public. But it's pretty evident you've given up on maintaining a good image for hunting and have opted for scorched earth instead.

Good luck with that.

[KFhunter]

again with implying I'm a wolf poacher or condone wolf poaching when I've stated over and over and over again I do not condone it.

You must have missed this,  I took heat from anti-wolf people for this comment:

If he talks, he will be turned in, That's usually how it goes down for them. Don't even tell your hunting friends.

Yep. That's what happens. The third S is very important. Save it to tell your kids on your deathbed.

Here's my stance.
How about just not shoot the dammed thing in the first place?


Now before you all freak out let's think about this for half a second.....
What good do you think you'd be doing if you shot a wolf? 

1) The risk you'll get caught, and with $7,500 on the table that risk goes up...Was there a guy with bino's checking out the wolf?  Are you sure no one got your plate #?
You aren't going to sleep well afraid an officer is going to knock on your door. 

2) How many Elk/Deer are you really saving?  For a couple of years probably quite a few, but eventually none. 

3) Shooting wolves delays legal management down the road, especially collared wolves!  We need WDFW to confirm packs, a pack has a legal definition - kill the wrong wolf and the pack is not "legally" a pack any longer.   

I was worried when I found out this was a collared wolf, but thankfully it was a young dispersing female.  The smackout pack still retains it's "pack" status.   It's all BS I know, but that's their game and if we go shooting them we loose in the end.

seriously! I just puked in my mouth, WOLVES kill a ton of elk and deer! U like wolves more than deer and elk?

So get it through your thick skull - I do not condone illegal wolf activities. 

[KFhunter]

If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

It's evident you are no friend to H-W members and I take offence that you keep trying to label me a wolf poacher when I've been so vocal against it.

Also, I think it really highlights you're wolf zealotry when you'd ask tax payers to fund 1000's of police man hours to start a man hunt for a single wolf.  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has its share of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

[idahohuntr]

If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

It's evident you are no friend to H-W members and I take offence that you keep trying to label me a wolf poacher when I've been so vocal against it.

Also, I think it really highlights you're wolf zealotry when you'd ask tax payers to fund 1000's of police man hours to start a man hunt for a single wolf.  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has its share of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

I don't recall anyone calling you a wolf poacher...I also recall Aspen describing hypothetically how one might go about solving this wolf death...and also how the cost of getting that info. is prohibitive.  It seems to fall right in line with the direction you've taken this thread in regards to drawing up hypothetical scenarios about various people. 

Your insinuation that Aspen supports women being battered so a wolf crime can be solved is as ridiculous as it is disgusting. You've hit a new low. 

[AspenBud]

I'm sorry, I was under the impression you hadn't thought of what I mentioned. Next time I'll keep it to myself smart guy.

If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

It's evident you are no friend to H-W members and I take offence that you keep trying to label me a wolf poacher when I've been so vocal against it.

Also, I think it really highlights you're wolf zealotry when you'd ask tax payers to fund 1000's of police man hours to start a man hunt for a single wolf.  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has a lot of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

I haven't called you a poacher, but given your rather vociferous reaction to what I was trying to tell you I got the impression you were condoning it. My bad.

Actually I used the example of this forum originally to explain what could be done as people tend to post and say things thinking they are anonymous when they are in fact not. You decided to read some meaning into that.

[KFhunter]

If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

It's evident you are no friend to H-W members and I take offence that you keep trying to label me a wolf poacher when I've been so vocal against it.

Also, I think it really highlights you're wolf zealotry when you'd ask tax payers to fund 1000's of police man hours to start a man hunt for a single wolf.  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has its share of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

I don't recall anyone calling you a wolf poacher...I also recall Aspen describing hypothetically how one might go about solving this wolf death...and also how the cost of getting that info. is prohibitive.  It seems to fall right in line with the direction you've taken this thread in regards to drawing up hypothetical scenarios about various people. 

Your insinuation that Aspen supports women being battered so a wolf crime can be solved is as ridiculous as it is disgusting. You've hit a new low. 

Nice effort to turn this around so I'm the bad guy   

Aspen is the one criticizing local police for not doing enough and nicely spelled out what it would take for his ideal investigation,  don't demonize me because I realistically stated what it meant for the people of Stevens CO if the officers were tasked with this.  You think police can just drop everything and launch into an investigation like this?  Not in a rural county hoss,  any investigation like this pulls officer resources from the streets.  Our detectives will have to push aside ongoing cases to work a wolf?  are you kidding?!  no I guess you aren't, and that is sad.

If you don't believe me then do some research on Stevens CO and see for yourself what they respond too for the bulk of their calls then come back and we'll talk further if you still have the will or desire.

[KFhunter]

I'm sorry, I was under the impression you hadn't thought of what I mentioned. Next time I'll keep it to myself smart guy.

If I were Conservation NW and the state I would be looking at this forum, if I were the cops I would know what data I want to mine to try and find potential suspects, that is elementary crime solving bub and I actually tried to warn you despite your attitude.

It's evident you are no friend to H-W members and I take offence that you keep trying to label me a wolf poacher when I've been so vocal against it.

Also, I think it really highlights you're wolf zealotry when you'd ask tax payers to fund 1000's of police man hours to start a man hunt for a single wolf.  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has a lot of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

I haven't called you a poacher, but given your rather vociferous reaction to what I was trying to tell you I got the impression you were condoning it. My bad.

Actually I used the example of this forum originally to explain what could be done as people tend to post and say things thinking they are anonymous when they are in fact not. You decided to read some meaning into that.

uh huh nice back pedal.   How else can I take it when you personally warned me?

[trophyhunt]

Ooh let me throw my hat in the ring..... I have no problem with people killing wolves, legal or NOT.  So hate away, don't mean chit to me.

[KFhunter]

Ooh let me throw my hat in the ring..... I have no problem with people killing wolves, legal or NOT.  So hate away, don't mean chit to me.

heh

I love it that the pro-wolfers are bashing their heads against me - helps me keep wolf threads up near the top on the recent topics columns.   

It helps me spread my message to all the guests on HW or people who haven't thought a lot about wolves.   
It also helps folks see the propaganda in action when I refute and disprove every single talking point they bring forward. 

They they have no further recourse but resort to personal attacks



see my sig - I love it 
I earned those personal attacks and wear them with pride. 



When I get a humble public apology from Idahohntr I'll change the sig, an apology at least as good as the one I gave PlateuNDN and Native Americans for an unfortunate, but innocent blunder on my part.

[Elkaholic daWg]

KF Hunter

[JLS]

  Would you be OK with reduced patrols and greatly increased response times to citizens in need so they can work on pulling gigantic amounts of data and comb through it all?   Stevens CO has its share of domestic violence calls,  which response times are very important.  Yet you'd hang all those battered women out in the wind so officers can work on a wolf case huh.

don't demonize me because I realistically stated what it meant for the people of Stevens CO if the officers were tasked with this.  You think police can just drop everything and launch into an investigation like this?  Not in a rural county hoss,  any investigation like this pulls officer resources from the streets.  Our detectives will have to push aside ongoing cases to work a wolf?  are you kidding?!  no I guess you aren't, and that is sad.

If you don't believe me then do some research on Stevens CO and see for yourself what they respond too for the bulk of their calls then come back and we'll talk further if you still have the will or desire.

Well, since it would be WDFW that would investigate it I really doubt it would take any detectives away from their work.

[KFhunter]

stevens co does a ton of wildlife calls and assists wdfw all the time

you find a wounded deer on the road do you wait for wdfw or do you end it's misery?



besides if WDFW does this investigation to Aspen's satisfaction who'd patrol for the geoducks?