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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2014, 08:24:05 AM »
I think this is nuts, how are they going to monitor all there breeding pairs every year? Want to talk about a new challenge!

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2014, 08:28:49 AM »
This doesn't quite fit with them telling us for years that only alpha males and alpha females breed. Do you think they were telling us a lie?

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2014, 08:35:57 AM »
This doesn't quite fit with them telling us for years that only alpha males and alpha females breed. Do you think they were telling us a lie?

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2014, 08:54:02 AM »
These are dogs.  They act like this is unusual.  How many litters are scattered across the west when these beasties travel hundreds of miles just making the rounds.  If either gender cooperates we have offspring, if they do not they have an easy meal.  The cost at every turn is beyond comprehension.  When wolves have the same status as a free roaming dog or a coyotes some sanity will have prevailed.

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2014, 09:20:56 AM »
A bullet would have been cheaper.

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 :yeah:  But that makes too much sense for WDFW to do that. This spayed wolf is of no good to the wolf population, to help get wolves delisted, or for any other reason. We simply have one wolf out there eating deer, elk, and moose.

The only good thing is that there won't be hybrid pups growing up, but a bullet sure could have taken care of that.
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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2014, 01:34:32 PM »
This doesn't quite fit with them telling us for years that only alpha males and alpha females breed. Do you think they were telling us a lie?
AHEM, somebody figure it out.  Be careful flatbkman, if black helicopters start circling your home, WDFW may be on their way to "educate" you to their version of reality! :yike:

I'm completely with you here, Wolves are wild dogs, I've never believed only the Alpha's bred. 

Even if what they say is true, all it would take is one beta or below female to wander off and BAM we have another breeding pair. 

This guard dog scaled a 7 ft fence to get to a female.

My old duck hunting lab once chewed through a chain link fenced kennel to get to the neighbors lab that was in heat.

There's no way only the Alpha female breeds.

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2014, 05:03:18 PM »
This looks like it will be a train wreck, I can't look away!
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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2014, 06:35:47 PM »
“Our goal is restoration of a native wolf population not in producing a generation of hybrids we'd have to take care of in another way later,” said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore manager in Olympia."

Native Wolf? If Donny was really interested in restoring the native wolves, he would recommend killing the wolves the USFWS illegally introduced.


Isn't Donny the WDFW guy who said WDFW would pay the vet bill on John's dog, that one of their planted wolves attack> and then he had to renege once it hit the net?
It seems to me if the female was willing to mate with a domestic dog (that was in a high fence) then the female wolf should be exterminated instead of telling the owner to restrain his dog (that was in a high fence situation). It would have saved a lot of tax payer's money unless you want to foot the bill, I don't!!!!!
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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2014, 07:34:10 PM »
“Our goal is restoration of a native wolf population not in producing a generation of hybrids we'd have to take care of in another way later,” said Donny Martorello, the department's carnivore manager in Olympia."

Native Wolf? If Donny was really interested in restoring the native wolves, he would recommend killing the wolves the USFWS illegally introduced.


Isn't Donny the WDFW guy who said WDFW would pay the vet bill on John's dog, that one of their planted wolves attack> and then he had to renege once it hit the net?
It seems to me if the female was willing to mate with a domestic dog (that was in a high fence) then the female wolf should be exterminated instead of telling the owner to restrain his dog (that was in a high fence situation). It would have saved a lot of tax payer's money unless you want to foot the bill, I don't!!!!!
Just sayin

Or WDF&Wolves can pay to extend the fence, but then they would look stupid agin. In the Yellowstone the USFWS documented wolf packs that had up to four litters per pack, so a pack of six or seven wolves grew to a pack of thirty over night. When WDFW make statements like they just did they are still trying to snow those who believe the lies and don't know any different or brain-wash the ones who are bran new.

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2014, 07:44:47 PM »
I see people who write: When, why and how come WDFW haven't learned from ID, MT or Wyoming. And I wonder if they think WDFW are really that stupid? If you look at the history of WDFW and Defenders of Wildlife back in the 1980's and 90's, you would soon come to the conclusion that WDFW knew exactly what wolves would do to WA game herds and livestock. I think the one thing that upset WDFW most was they were not pick as one of the three to have the wolves introduced publicly in 95-96.

The USFWS introduced wolves into the three hardest states first, states that would never have allowed wolves once the truth was known. And now you need to look at WDFW and their own state ESA protected wolf program, and ask yourself if WDFW has your hunting opportunities in mind?

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2014, 07:03:48 AM »
Every one needs to just turn stray male dogs loose into the local wolf areas.... hell the state can move wolfs around why cant we just move our local stray dogs around.... pretty soon all the female wolfs will be spayed... problem solved   :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: By By pure wolves   :hello: hello shooting high breeds :mgun:
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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2014, 07:47:03 AM »
I wonder how much money that cost us taxpayers to " fix " the wolf ? What a bunch of crap.......
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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2014, 08:29:28 AM »
And how much do helicopters cost ?

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Re: State spays wild wolf after it’s bred by loose dog
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2014, 09:24:17 AM »
Restrain your guard dog?  Thought they were the solution along with flags, riders and electric fences.  Unintended consequences abound

 


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