PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[ucwarden]

Has anybody from WDFW or the commission said a peep about this petition?

Not that I know of.  I am sure there has been a lot of conversations behind the scenes, and a lot of thought on how to handle it.  Probably a lot of veiled threats to employees.

[ucwarden]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Not a surprise.  I think, as well connected as you seem to be, you will notice a lot on tension at WDFW, and soldiers lining up on both sides to the trenches.  But the good stuff is still 3 or 4 weeks out.

[dscubame]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Very telling that this is getting attention.

[jackmaster]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Not a surprise.  I think, as well connected as you seem to be, you will notice a lot on tension at WDFW, and soldiers lining up on both sides to the trenches.  But the good stuff is still 3 or 4 weeks out.

I can't wait to here what the good stuff is, I guess you cant tell the hunt-wa members huh? I promise we can keep a secret

[Skyhigh]

UCW, do you think it was a good or bad move for WDFW enforcement to get the CALEA accredidation?

just posted this on another message board here.. http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=968322

Should genrate some more chatter and a few more signatures.

[ucwarden]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Not a surprise.  I think, as well connected as you seem to be, you will notice a lot on tension at WDFW, and soldiers lining up on both sides to the trenches.  But the good stuff is still 3 or 4 weeks out.

I can't wait to here what the good stuff is, I guess you cant tell the hunt-wa members huh? I promise we can keep a secret

Soon enough.

[TheHunt]

I think the next two months will get very interesting.  You know the pressure is on...   I have testified at the Grays Harbor fishing plan.  During that time I told Phil and the Fish Commission that social media will make them or break them.  If they did not start representing the voting public that most will be gone. 

I did talk to Phil later at a break in which I showed him how information can be disseminated at a moment notice.  That individuals or organizations who are old school will find themselves in defense mode rather in progressively moving forward for the betterment of the entire state. 

[ucwarden]

I think the next two months will get very interesting.  You know the pressure is on...   I have testified at the Grays Harbor fishing plan.  During that time I told Phil and the Fish Commission that social media will make them or break them.  If they did not start representing the voting public that most will be gone. 

I did talk to Phil later at a break in which I showed him how information can be disseminated at a moment notice.  That individuals or organizations who are old school will find themselves in defense mode rather in progressively moving forward for the betterment of the entire state.

Very true

[elk101]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Not a surprise.  I think, as well connected as you seem to be, you will notice a lot on tension at WDFW, and soldiers lining up on both sides to the trenches.  But the good stuff is still 3 or 4 weeks out.

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

So because the outdoor line has anderson on you assume that they are on his side
I have listen to that show a lot. They are there to get peole involved into the outdoors weather fish or hunt or the wolf issues. I personly like that our director is on there to speak about issues. Dont recall others doing that unless to get appointed

[bigtex]

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

Not a surprise.  I think, as well connected as you seem to be, you will notice a lot on tension at WDFW, and soldiers lining up on both sides to the trenches.  But the good stuff is still 3 or 4 weeks out.

The Outdoor Line radio show which airs on Saturdays at 7AM on KIRO had a similar thread with some discussion regarding this petition.

I just checked, it has been removed.

At first I thought maybe the forum doesn't allow petitions, "action alerts" and so on, but they do have an "action alert" thread to send to the Senate to confirm Miranda Wecker as Chair of the Fish and Wildlife Commission.

Rich Phillips who was demoted from Sergeant has probably been on the show about 10 times since the show has been around.

Director Anderson is on it every couple months.

I guess we can see who that show is loyal to...

So because the outdoor line has anderson on you assume that they are on his side
I have listen to that show a lot. They are there to get peole involved into the outdoors weather fish or hunt or the wolf issues. I personly like that our director is on there to speak about issues. Dont recall others doing that unless to get appointed

No not at all. I do agree, it is great Anderson goes on to the show.
I have listened to the show since it started and I honestly cant remember a time where the hosts actually challenged Anderson on anything, it was much more of the "what going on?" type of a thing, and not so much of a "why did you do that?"

But it does say something when the thread is deleted. Are only threads that the show agrees about allowed to be on there? Maybe I should post some pro-wolf threads and see if it gets deleted.

[Tbar]

Bigtex or Ucwarden is it possible for the guild or teamsters to do a No Confidence vote in regards to Crown? I know this is more symbolic than anything but I think it would speak volumes and carry more weight than our voices.

[ucwarden]

Bigtex or Ucwarden is it possible for the guild or teamsters to do a No Confidence vote in regards to Crown? I know this is more symbolic than anything but I think it would speak volumes and carry more weight than our voices.

It is possible, but I doubt it would happen due to fear of retaliation.  Dave Jones had actually proposed such before he was fired.  That doesn't give the surviving officers much confidence.

[Tbar]

I agree Uc

[elk247]

I'm a little surprised the petition hasn't gotten more signatures yet.  Guys on this forum are always complaining about wdfw; here's a good chance to try to get them to change. 

Can someone explain why someone would not want to sign the petition?    (other than wdfw employees not risking retaliation)

Is it the fear of the unknown about who might replace these guys?  Personally, I think it would do some good to shake up wdfw. 

Is the root of the problem all the years of having crappy governors in the state?  I'd also like to understand the root cause of what we have...........maybe it all started with the merger of game and fish? 

I have not signed and at this point probably will not simply because I have not seen evidence of singnificant wrong-doing or law breaking by Crown or Anderson...I could care less about Cenci.  If there is evidence of specific illegal or unethical acts by these guys and it is presented to the public I would certainly re-consider.  Furthermore, I see no plan for improvement.  Raising enough heck to get the current admin out with no plan for who the replacement would be seems disastrous if it were to succeed.  This is why I mentioned a while back that the petition should be geared towards issues...not people...unless there is specific, detailed evidence describing illegal and unethical behavior or activities by the people named in the petition.

I don't disagree that there is not substantial room for improvement, but a lot of that improvement needs to come from legislative action...not simply replacing current department heads.  Chief Crown is relatively new to his job and based on what I heard him say at a GMAC meeting I think he might have the right attitude...I am at least willing to give him a chance to implement the things he talked about...and if he doesn't then I will be happy to sign a petition.  With the current Director, I guess he's on there because of guilt by association...given political climate, legislative requirements etc. I think it would be a mistake to try and get rid of him.

First; I respect your opinion and will not support anyone who gives you grief for not signing the petition.
I want to assure you, and others, there soon will be evidence of wrong-doing, but I simply can't release it yet.

As far as Crown goes, he is a nice enough guy, just not right for the position he has been gifted.  Remember that he previously only supervised one single uniformed officer, and now he supervises all of them.  If you speak with any WDFW officers who were FTO (Field Training Officers) they will likely tell you that when he ran the training program (his position before being chief) it was a mess.  He failed to communicate, didn't follow through, and generally dropped the ball a lot.  Also; he was appointed the chief's position after a "nationwide search" which was a joke.  The first thing he did was put Cenci back as a deputy chief, then added yet another deputy chief position (first time there have been two DC's).  He just gave Cenci the position, but made the people seeking the "other" eputy chief position go through interviews etc.   That alone is no way to do business.

I understand you have a strategy and also respect your efforts even if I think there is a "better" approach...you have more information so it may just be a matter of time before I say I was wrong and should have signed weeks ago   

My impression of Crown was luke-warm...he didn't strike me as some great leader or anything, but he did say two key things that I appreciated:

1. Wants to hire officers who are connected to the resource...guys that hunt and fish...not
2. Wants officer interactions to be positive for the 99% of folks who are not law breakers...no "its my job to figure out how to write you a ticket" attitudes in the ranks of WDFW

He also said things that were very evasive that left me feeling like he is definitely a bureaucrat.  If he accomplishes the two things he talked about I'd be happy with him.  I understand talk is cheap but I guess not knowing him I am more willing to give him a shot at righting the ship. 

Who would you like to see replace him?  Is there anybody in WDFW suited for the job that would have a legitimate shot at getting it or do we need somebody from outside?

As for replacing him, I (and almost everyone) would be happy with Rich Phillips (who was just demoted by Crown), several other supervisors in WDFW, or even better- someone from a totally different F&W agency (out-of-state)

Rich has always been on the right side for what it's worth.   

Rich is a fair and reasonable guy. Cracks down on the bad guys but treats people with respect. I wish someone could put the good ol' boy politics aside and clean house. I know of a few guys and gals hired in the last 8 yrs. that are worth keeping though. 

[elk101]

I think the next two months will get very interesting.  You know the pressure is on...   I have testified at the Grays Harbor fishing plan.  During that time I told Phil and the Fish Commission that social media will make them or break them.  If they did not start representing the voting public that most will be gone. 

I did talk to Phil later at a break in which I showed him how information can be disseminated at a moment notice.  That individuals or organizations who are old school will find themselves in defense mode rather in progressively moving forward for the betterment of the entire state.

I think the pressure has always been on the top people at wdfw just like any other department .  I hope Mr Anderson has thick skin as this isn't the first group that wants him out. Should have seen his email list after x ing a sealion. 400 in one night. You might want to get them people to sign also.
I have not heard his side of the story but I do know if I ever do I know it will be the truth. 
Do any of you people know if he is a hunter.
Do you know is thoughts on the wolf program
Do you think anyone in this position gets to do what they want without Feds being involved.
Have any of you had a weekend fishing trip canceled because after leaving work on a Friday with the state budget passed then Saturday get word the legislators revoked it and have to work all weekend with them so all wdfw could work Monday
Have the game wardens arguing between marine and wildlife.
How about Wdwf patrolling Seafair does that make since everyone that buys a license thinks that is what supports their salary in reality a very little of those fees goes to that department.
I have read Tod's book months ago and it angered me too.
Poaching has long been a problem but people need to turn people in also. The state cannot hire enough wardens to watch very neck of the woods.
We are loosing more hunting ground every year timber companies are selling limited permits now. This is going to put more pressure on public lands.
Do not blame the state for this. This was brought on by people trashing the equipment and leaving garbage all over.
Personally I will not sign a petition that only has one side of a story and doesn't have a well thought out alternative to start. I am not willing to take a chance on non hunters or fishermen getting to the head of the wdfw