PETITION TO REMOVE WDFW DIRECTOR ANDERSON, CHIEF CROWN & DEPUTY CHIEF CENCI

[buckfvr]

SO you would like to see a rebutle on the petition............

[vandeman17]

I do know that Phil Anderson is a duck hunter. He has a sibling of my dog and my cousin is training him.

[bigtex]

How about Wdwf patrolling Seafair does that make since everyone that buys a license thinks that is what supports their salary in reality a very little of those fees goes to that department.

WDFW gets the equivalent of one full officer position per year from a State Parks grant for boating safety enforcement. Per this grant, WDFW must work SeaFair.

[PLUVIUSWAPITI]

bigtex, glad to see you and your wealth of knowledge on this site.

[Special T]

Is it fair that so many of our opinions have soured over the years, and paint with a wide brush? Probably not... But just like many people businesses and organizations it takes a whole lot MORE work to overcome a bad reputation than to keep a good one.

The question is "What has the WDFW done for hunters and anglers lately?" It may be able to put on a better show for the fishery side than the hunting. IDK. If Phil is a duck hunter he could at least do 1 thing even if it was just the gesture. Why not tell the public he is for a separate merganser season... Granted He could not change that by himself, but just stating and attempting that, even if weakly it would do something for his/departments image.

WDFW plays DEFENSE on all the issues. Playing great defense wont move your department forward (And i don't thing they are even doing a stellar job just playing D  " Granted they cannot push every issue forward, and have to hold back in cases... There are MANY opportunities out there they COULD pursue but don't because they are too timid, and apparently have a bunch of management that do not hunt or fish pushing policy. Its hard to get behind a department that makes proposals that are so asinine that ANYONE with hunting experience could do better.

[Forks]

Do you think it is possible that there are non management folk at WDFW that do not fish or hunt that push their own agenda fully realizing that their jobs are safe because they work for the state?

[jackmaster]

Do you think it is possible that there are non management folk at WDFW that do not fish or hunt that push their own agenda fully realizing that their jobs are safe because they work for the state?

good question, my thoughts would be yes, i would think so, especially the infiltrators that are the tree/bunny huggers that are dug in at the department that like to push their agenda and give their thoughts, my personal belief is WDFW needs a major overhaul, get back to what is suppose to be about, protecting wildlife from poachers and predators, give more to the sportfisherman and less to the commercial guys, it all starts at the top, attitude reflects leadership, and the attitude isnt to great at WDFW or the perception of the place to the sportsman.... UC is there any change in the amount of signatures? what is the number at?

[Curly]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

[jackmaster]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

awesome, thanks curly

[Tbar]

Ucwarden,  any update on Dave Jones? Did he have his appeal?

[Rainier10]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

That is just over 80 signatures this past week, things are starting to taper off a bit.  We need a rally push to get to the new goal of 1500.

[elk101]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

That is just over 80 signatures this past week, things are starting to taper off a bit.  We need a rally push to get to the new goal of 1500.

Maybe people are thinking with their big head now the way that it should be.

[Tbar]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

That is just over 80 signatures this past week, things are starting to taper off a bit.  We need a rally push to get to the new goal of 1500.

Maybe people are thinking with their big head now the way that it should be.

Please elaborate elk 101. What was everyone thinking with before?
You have brought up some good points in a prior post, some points that would only come from someone that has some intimate knowledge of certain situations within the the wdfw.
   

[elk101]

I just looked and it is at 1,144 signatures.

That is just over 80 signatures this past week, things are starting to taper off a bit.  We need a rally push to get to the new goal of 1500.

Maybe people are thinking with their big head now the way that it should be.

Please elaborate elk 101. What was everyone thinking with before?
You have brought up some good points in a prior post, some points that would only come from someone that has some intimate knowledge of certain situations within the the wdfw.
 

My point was everyone thinks that the wdfw is not protecting the deer and elk when in the overall sceme of things their hands might also be tied to budgets.
I do not have any ties to wdfw other than knowing a lot of the people retired ones and hired ones
I have met Mike Cenci but that is it so I cannot say if he is good or bad I have heard views from both sides of the wardens ones that don't like him and others that do like him.
So not fair for me to judge.
Steve crown I have only seen him at a retirement party where he spoke so again I cannot not tell people what he like.
Mr. Anderson though I have known for a long time.
I will not state what he thinks as it is not my job but for people that think they can put another person in charge and think that you can go in and clean house is mistaken let them try that with in there own jobs let alone the state agency.
I have heard from a lot of sportsmen and they all think that the head people want to not let people hunt or fish and they are pushing wolves and want them ousted.
I am in the construction business an we are fighting pocket gophers wdfw has to protect them. Feds are going to list them so building will be come to a halt in Thurston county this has affected not only private but Tumwater schools and the port of Olympia. Their are Wdfw biologist that look for these endangered wildlife and fight to protect it. The wardens and head of the departments have to go by fed their views mean nothing.
Ask Idaho about their wolf plan that the feds pushed on them do you think that firing their top people would have stopped it
I don't care who you put in charge their are Issues that need to be addressed but you cannot go in and clean house and expect that some hard nose is going to get things done that will make you happy.
I have seen post that people are surprised that the director showed up at meeting state he is trying to make a good show now that they trying to get him out.
Stuff like that doesn't surprise the ones that have been around Phil. He wants to know as much about everything that he can about stuff he works on. He studies how stuff works not just WDFW stuff but from anything he owns.
I am very confident that if he gets all the facts truthfully he does the right thing.
I read Todd's book Have not discussed it Phil other than asked if he read it. Again if you want to know ask him.
I asked other people about the book also.
Lot of bad stuff in the book some of it had to do with deer and elk but a lot was other things that should also be pursued but with fed money not wdfw money why should they be dealing with paddle fish from Ok.
I quit hunting this state for Elk long ago went to Idaho have since quit because of the elk population.
Back when I hunted elk here you had to pick tag and weapon very few quality hunts
Now I have fellow workers that get multi season tags or extra cow elk tags for advance hunter cards more chances to hunt but reading the post everyone thinks it is worse now.
In 1988 when I decide to hunt elk out of state the Wa elk population was around 25000 head with a kill % 0f around 8% you got 9 days to hunt with a rifle in Nov. Then there was I think around 70000 people hunting Wa.
Think managing that many was easy.
Idaho back then had 70000 elk and 25000 hunters what is easier to manage.
So all you people that think you can go in and change things go ahead but wa st has to much population to make things pleasant for everyone.
All the wolf lovers and peta people like all this bickering because they have a better chance at getting theirs in.

[Tbar]

Excellent post  elk101.  I'm in agreement more than you could imagine. I'm actually a Phil Anderson supporter also. I don't have much time so I have to keep this some what short.
   If you know many wdfw guys then you tell me how is morale (simply your opinion)?  I have known many officers too, Clayton Barnes, Ralph woods, Bob Forbes, Terry Abrahms, amongst many others.  I have also met/dealt with several in administration. One thing I can tell you with ALL of my dealings is there was a sense of pride in who they were and what they did.  I also should add that all the dealings were not always on the easiest terms (politics always bring a level of difficulty). I don't see that in many of today's employees with the department.  I have even seen a sense of almost defeat (for lack ofa better term) when it comes to being allowed to do their job, which I see as an attempt to protect our natural resources to the best of their ability. I personally (and this is only my opinion) have never seen morale at this low of levels.
 Now to the petition.  There has to be a root to the degradation of morale. It is more than the fact that some are resistant to change(we all know change is inevitable and those who refuse to change will be left behind). There is a culture within the department (from my outside observation) of follow or be punished. I don't see leadership by example.  I see lines of division deeply rooted and leadership using a culture of fear. I see the enforcement department of the wdfw in desperate need of implosion.  There is a need for leadership that can and will lead by example (there is a very skilled and willing workforce within the ranks of the department). I see the wdfw losing true leaders at an alarming rate.  This requires looking past "titles" as many leaders are at the field levels (by choice I would guess). They are the most integral part of the team, they are where the rubber meets the road. Many of these guys are leaving as a direct result of the integrity of their leaders (as many have been openly vocal about). I can say the attitude of do as I say NOT as I do, is a poor method of leadership.
   I will bring up another point that has me taking a stance so to speak. If you run my name into the ground and make claims about me I will respond.  Cenci has taken the route of silence for the most part. When not silent he sounds uninterested or worse vindictive (I will elaborate a little later). I know middle management(again for lack ofa better term) is a tough place to be (Cenci). I know there are very tough decisions that absolutely must be made and sometimes changes need to be made as a given situation evolves. I recognize that there are two sides to every story but have yet to hear a rebuttal (with possibly the dismissal of Dave Jones, that may be what you get for disagreeing with the powers). If you are in a political public arena I will concede that you walk a slippery slope and must pick and choose your words. However in this case silence speaks volumes both with rank and file and the public. One good measure ofa man/character is how he is judged by his peers... Well I have seen very limited support of Crown or Cenci, that too speaks volumes.
  I will echo some of your(elk101) sentiment when it comes to Phil Anderson and the complexities of the wdfw. They definitely have to represent more than our(sportsman) interest. Anybody who doesn't recognize that is simply uneducated on the composition of this state and the voting public. The pro Wolf community and furthermore the anti hunting are well funded and havea strong following in our state. These groups are for the most part well educated(although illogical) and definitely have political pull.