The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[wolfbait]

Wolverines need quick help against climate change, court says
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2016/apr/04/wolverines-need-quick-help-against-climate-change-court-says/

[Katmai Guy]

JFC! what do they think the wolverine does during the summer, die off?  Some places in AK where they are thriving get to be almost 100deg in the summer, I don't think they will have a problem with climate change. JMHO

[jasnt]

JFC! what do they think the wolverine does during the summer, die off?  Some places in AK where they are thriving get to be almost 100deg in the summer, I don't think they will have a problem with climate change. JMHO

[WAcoyotehunter]

They den in snow.  If the snow is gone, they fail.

That's why there are no wolverines in Texas....

[idahohuntr]

 

[jasnt]

They do not "need" snow to den.  That's as funny as climate change or global warming.  food plays a much larger part of reprodutiction.

"Mating season is in the summer, but the actual implantation of the embryo (blastocyst) in the uterus is stayed until early winter, delaying the development of the fetus. Females will often not produce young if food is scarce. The gestation period is 30–50 days, and litters of typically two or three young ("kits") are born in the spring. Kits develop rapidly, reaching adult size within the first year of a lifespan that may reach anywhere from five to (in exceptional individuals) 13 Years"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine

[WAcoyotehunter]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225840689_Nonlinear_responses_of_wolverine_populations_to_declining_winter_snowpack

What do they need then??  Here's a link to some actual research.... Not wiki

[wolfbait]

Suit: US grouse protections driven by politics, not science

http://trib.com/news/state-and-regional/suit-us-grouse-protections-driven-by-politics-not-science/article_e3506a00-cad9-59b5-86b5-c61d0625f07e.html#utm_source=trib.com&utm_campaign=%2Femail-updates%2Fbreaking%2F&utm_medium=email&utm_content=read%20more

[WAcoyotehunter]

Ok... A newspaper article about a recently filed lawsuit isn't exactly a smoking gun.  If they win the suit it would be meaningful.

Also, grouse are not an endangered species.  Industry and conservation got together and made deals to keep them off the list... A win/win hopefully.

[jasnt]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225840689_Nonlinear_responses_of_wolverine_populations_to_declining_winter_snowpack

What do they need then??  Here's a link to some actual research.... Not wiki

when you realize "climate change" is fake your "actual research" seems guilded.

This guy is annoying but he has the facts straight
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSGJ7EMMiI

I'm not saying I don't think that wolverines aren't on a decline but " climate change" is not the cause.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Start measuring snow pack and get back to me. Weather or not it's climate change, snowpack that wolverines count on has decreased and continues to. 

I am leary of listing a species due to a future as well.

[AKBowman]

One of my big pet peeves with the anti-wolf crowd is a lot of them like to try and draw in hunters by trying to establish there is a threat to the activity. Often those same people talk out both sides of their mouth. They scare everyone into thinking the end of hunting is coming while effectively not giving a rip about non-big game species.

They don't like wolves because they eat livestock and they don't like sage grouse because their decline represents a threat to how they use the land.

They don't care at all about hunting, it's just a convenient side story they try and use to manipulate hunters.

It's not the wolves that bother most of us it's the fact that they cannot be managed by the professionals that have biology degrees to manage wildlife.  We don't like the De-listing plan nor the ESA's agenda ($) and personal impact on the de-listing plan.

Look at the condition of our national forests in Western WA since the lack of logging. You don't think that has negatively impacted many species? It is bothersome when the real reason for spotted owl population decline had nothing to do with environment and everything to do with competition. Yet, our national forests continue to suffer because the paid professionals are not allowed to manage the forest as they see fit. Look at the huge chunks of land near Lake Cle Elum that were purchased by an environmental group. Forest Service land that is now completely off limits to access.

Why would you care if people are trying to sway hunters anyhow? We're 3% of the population.

Your agenda is obvious here. I am one that believes these environmental groups need a HUGE check of balance before they dig our country into such a hole it won't matter to anyone whether the 3% of the population decides to hunt. Thanks to them we will have MUCH bigger national issues to spend thought and money on.

[csaaphill]

I wonder how quickly this would of cleared out if it had an agenda 21 title to it?
But the agenda is the same regardless.

[wolfbait]

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Increases Civil Penalties

http://www.endangeredspecieslawandpolicy.com/2016/06/articles/fish-wildlife-service/u-s-fish-and-wildlife-service-increases-civil-penalties/

[predatorpro]

They den in snow.  If the snow is gone, they fail.

That's why there are no wolverines in Texas....

there is still snow on the colockum....they will be fine...