arrow weight and being legal ?

[stromdiddily]

Rad - I've been looking to start fletching my own arrows...how severe is your helix angle (I think that's what it's called  )

[RadSav]

Rad - I've been looking to start fletching my own arrows...how severe is your helix angle (I think that's what it's called  )

Depends on what bow/rest combination I am shooting that day   I've been hooked on the Bohning Helix Tower jig lately which I think is 3 degrees.  It looks like a pile of junky plastic, but it's fletched every arrow absolutely perfect.  Saves a bunch of time too!  I'm now using it on all my three fletch arrows shot from bows with fall away rests.  I'm probably up to 40 dozen arrows on the one jig and it still works and looks like new.  Never one single bad fletch using the Bohning Tower!

My bows that have shoot through rest like the Octane Hostage Pro (my favorite travel rest) and the wife's Hairy Hole I still use the Bitzenberger jig.  With 2" vanes I can come very close to the Helix, but I've never measured it to see what the offset actually is.  If I were to guess I'd say better than two and probably closer to 2.5 degrees.

[nw_bowhunter]

Any of you guys look at the VAPs hunting arrows? I did recently and with the extra insert, fletching, nock, etc I could make weight. Had a smaller small diameter than most arrows, 340 spine BUT the cost is significantly more. I think its an extra $40 to $60 for the heavier inserts. Are the arrows worth the extra money? Around $200+ for dozen arrows. Lots of great reviews. Not sure I like how they add the extra insert through. It adds good 1.5 inches to your arrow length.

Victory makes a good arrow but in general smaller diameter shafts have less stability with broadheads.  Doesn't mean you won't get good flight, but does mean you need to have some very good FOC numbers.  Small diameter shafts are great penetrators of plywood, automotive glass, static foam and sinter blocks.  However, their advantages on fluid filled animal tissues are highly over rated.  I prefer a more standard, easier to fletch full/max helical, more readily available shaft myself.  All the good arrows are starting to get expensive these days though they are not always necessary for hunting bows either.  VAP/Victory is a good product.  Just not my cup of tea.

See I had some questions about the diameter of the shaft. What I read was the thought that the smaller diameter shaft will go through the animal easier but I was more concerned about the actual damage/shock factor.  They also claim tighter groups. I'm having a hard time justifying the cost. Plus having to spend an extra $50 on the penatrator inserts seems to much.. RadSav I wish I understood the whole FOC better.. My current Beaman Realtrees which aren't made any more shoot great out of my new bow, of course I haven't tried broadheads yet.

[RadSav]

RadSav I wish I understood the whole FOC better..

It's actually very simple when you look at it the right way.  Think of your arrow as a piece of kite string.  You try and throw it and it remains in it's crooked state.  Now attach a weight to one end and throw it and the string become much straighter in flight and not much effects it's path.  Add some drag to the back end of the string by attaching some feathers or tissue.  Now when thrown the string is nearly perfectly straight in flight stretched between positive energy force in the front and negative energy force (or drag) in the back.  The more weight attached to the front the more energy it has forward and the less environmental forces will effect it's path.  That's pretty much FOC in a nutshell.

[nw_bowhunter]

RadSav I wish I understood the whole FOC better..

It's actually very simple when you look at it the right way.  Think of your arrow as a piece of kite string.  You try and throw it and it remains in it's crooked state.  Now attach a weight to one end and throw it and the string become much straighter in flight and not much effects it's path.  Add some drag to the back end of the string by attaching some feathers or tissue.  Now when thrown the string is nearly perfectly straight in flight stretched between positive energy force in the front and negative energy force (or drag) in the back.  The more weight attached to the front the more energy it has forward and the less environmental forces will effect it's path.  That's pretty much FOC in a nutshell.

ok that makes sense.. I been doing some reading on Easton's website which has helped also..

[stromdiddily]

Rad - I've been looking to start fletching my own arrows...how severe is your helix angle (I think that's what it's called  )

Depends on what bow/rest combination I am shooting that day   I've been hooked on the Bohning Helix Tower jig lately which I think is 3 degrees.  It looks like a pile of junky plastic, but it's fletched every arrow absolutely perfect.  Saves a bunch of time too!  I'm now using it on all my three fletch arrows shot from bows with fall away rests.  I'm probably up to 40 dozen arrows on the one jig and it still works and looks like new.  Never one single bad fletch using the Bohning Tower!

My bows that have shoot through rest like the Octane Hostage Pro (my favorite travel rest) and the wife's Hairy Hole I still use the Bitzenberger jig.  With 2" vanes I can come very close to the Helix, but I've never measured it to see what the offset actually is.  If I were to guess I'd say better than two and probably closer to 2.5 degrees.

Thank you sir.

And sorry OP for the temporary thread jack

[Russ McDonald]

So learned by reading the proposed regs.   It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt weighing less than 350 grains.

[RadSav]

So learned by reading the proposed regs.   It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt weighing less than 350 grains.

Minimum weight for an arrow is 300 grains.  Minimum weight for a bolt is 350 grains.

[Russ McDonald]

So learned by reading the proposed regs.   It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt weighing less than 350 grains.

Minimum weight for an arrow is 300 grains.  Minimum weight for a bolt is 350 grains.

but in the new proposed regs is says arrows or bolt.  As I read it minimum weight would be 350 grains period no calculating to make sure your making weight.  Unless I am reading that wrong.

[RadSav]

I'll have to check that out.  Would sure be nice if I could use my Canada setup here in Washington!

That is when I can get that open.  Keep getting a "Too many connections" error.  Never seen that before.  Especially at 10:20 PM

[Russ McDonald]

I'll have to check that out.  Would sure be nice if I could use my Canada setup here in Washington!

That is when I can get that open.  Keep getting a "Too many connections" error.  Never seen that before.  Especially at 10:20 PM

I was getting the same thing but I found another way to get it here is the link http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/2014/wsr_14-03-135.pdf

[RadSav]

That link worked great.  Though I seem unable to find that mention about changing 300 grain minimum to 350 grain.  Can you tip me off to the location of that change?  Perhaps it's too early in the morning for me

From what I see the rules have not changed in that regard.  There is a mention you described but under, (4) Rules Pertaining to Crossbows ((b))...350 grains.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Would be a nice change.

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Rad,

It's 4 (b) under unlawful methods of hunting.  It seems it might be true.


Ok I read it again.  And 4 is rules for crossbows.  But maybe it too early for me too.

[RadSav]

Rad,

It's 4 (b) under unlawful methods of hunting.  It seems it might be true.

Yeah, that's "(4) Rules pertaining to crossbows" subsection ((b)).