selling permitt points

[MtnMuley]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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You mean like the youth turkey season this weekend....having first crack at and educating all the birds that I've been so patiently waiting to kill.....

[Karl Blanchard]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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I don't know a way to explain this that you are gonna be able to wrap your brain around man.  If creating an opportunity for a child to finish what their loved one wasn't able to accomplish or allowing an elderly individual to fulfill their dream before they die isn't noble and greater than ones own personal gain then I guess I must not understand the word.  Life is about more than just inches of bone.  Hunting is about the experiences and memories made with friends and loved ones.  Is shooting trophy animals a plus?  Sure!  But its not something that should be sought after at all costs.

[bobcat]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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You mean like the youth turkey season this weekend....having first crack at and educating all the birds that I've been so patiently waiting to kill.....

   Well no, not exactly. That season is open for ALL youth hunters. What we're talking about here is the ability to give points to certain kids who just happen to have a parent who has accumulated a number of points, and for whatever reason does not wish to use those points or is unable to use to use those points for himself.


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[Fowlweather25]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

[jackmaster]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

I dont see why it is a big deal if someone wants to give his kid his points that he or she has paid through the nose for, I would love to give my points to my daughter, especially now that she has really taken to huntn

[bobcat]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

No, not kidding at all. It's not a matter of a kid having an advantage over me, it's that only certain kids would benefit from this. It would be unfair to those kids or even adults who are new to hunting and are just beginning to accumulate points.

I really can't believe we're even discussing this. The idea is absolutely preposterous.


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[Bob33]

Why should someone's child, who has never hunted nor applied for a permit (and may not even care), get preferential treatment over someone who is in his 70s, has spent thousands of dollars in hunting licenses and fees, has applied faithfully for 20 years, and is hoping to draw a special permit before he's too old to hunt?

[arees]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

The problem is picking one youth over all others.  There is a never ending supply of youths that have faced tragedies in their lives.  Allowing inheriting of points just skews the odds in favor of the rich who can buy points for everyone in their family setting up lots of points to inherit.

Helping out a kid facing a tragedy is a good thing.  Breaking the point system so it favors the rich more than it does now is not.

[Whitpirate]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

  x1000

[jackmaster]

How is it "noble" to give a kid an unfair advantage over all others?


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Youre kidding right? Are you really that self absorbed? I love the idea of transfering points to a youth from a passed family member! You just want your odds to increase? If a family member passes he is no longer in the draw! If he leaves his points to a grandkid the number in the draw stays the same! How is that unfair? Of course i would like to see kids have an advantage over me! Its called preserving the future of our hunting heritage! I know if i passed i would want my points to go to my son.

The problem is picking one youth over all others.  There is a never ending supply of youths that have faced tragedies in their lives.  Allowing inheriting of points just skews the odds in favor of the rich who can buy points for everyone in their family setting up lots of points to inherit.

Helping out a kid facing a tragedy is a good thing.  Breaking the point system so it favors the rich more than it does now is not.

thats why selling points shouldn't be allowed but giving your points to a family member OR  an old timer with only a few hunts left should be allowed, it doesn't skew crappy, because the person who gave the points would no longer have points to skew the system with

[JLS]

Perpetuating an entitled attitude of points, and the false illusions of hope that they bring is certainly not the way to preserve our hunting heritage.

Even if WDFW was willing to let the money go from points and special permits, the attitudes in the is thread show the real reason why it will never happen.

[jackmaster]

Really goes to show the greed in some people and the its all about me me me attitudes.. I have hunted along time now, I have taken quite a few kids out and helped them get their first critters and I think I get more enjoyment out of kids whackn critters than I have ever gotton killing something myself, I am for what benefits the youth and the seniors....

[Bullkllr]

My  :

The idea of passing on points may be "noble", but it skews odds even farther in what is already an overly complicated point system. The way it is now is mostly "fair" as in equal opportunity for each individual. Passing on points could have the result of massively altering odds against youths and other individuals not fortunate enough to have family members who banked points. That is not equal opportunity.

The "last experience" for elderly can be had with or without a special permit. Granting Gramps points  for what may be his last hunt is no kind of guarantee he will draw. If that's a concern- I'd just load up and go hunt a general area for sure.

And keep in mind...it's like buying a lottery ticket... Sure everyone likes to win- but it's not that big a thing...ever...at least it shouldn't be.

[kentrek]

http://www.dfw.state.or.us/education/mentored_youth/index.asp#Seasons

So here is oregons mentored youth program, the kid with out a tag can fill the tag of there supervisor...it has lots of limitations but would bobcat consider it unfair if a dedicated hunter who put in for points for 15 years gave up the tag to his kid ? What about the other kids whos dads werent so dedicated over the years ?? Sounds like idaho has something also...

So if I gave a mudflow tag that I draw to my nearly dead grandpa...people on here would cry outrage ? That it's not fair that there grandson hadn't put in for points as I did ?? The "this isn't fair" argument is pathetic...is it fair that my dad put a lot of emphasis on hunting when I was young compared to the other dads that didnt ?? I mean ive done some crazy cool hunts that most kids my age havent done yet...isn't that super unfair to them ??

While there are a lot of rules and regulations that would go along with what ever program were talking here I have no doubts that no one would ever cry that its just not fair that lil jimmy is related to a man who was dedicated to hunting...

[Curly]

Perpetuating an entitled attitude of points, and the false illusions of hope that they bring is certainly not the way to preserve our hunting heritage.

Even if WDFW was willing to let the money go from points and special permits, the attitudes in the is thread show the real reason why it will never happen.