selling permitt points

[vandeman17]

Another thing I want to throw in here is that everyone is assuming that the person inheriting points will be a kid. I have no kids so what if my old man were to give me his points if he passed, would that change things? 

[rtspring]

The greed shown here is sad at best! You point lovers should really look in the mirror!!! The MODS have just shown that other hunters have no respect because you want more Bone!!!! Pathetic...

[idahohuntr]

thats why selling points shouldn't be allowed but giving your points to a family member OR  an old timer with only a few hunts left should be allowed, it doesn't skew crappy, because the person who gave the points would no longer have points to skew the system with

There is natural attrition or loss associated with points.  If you can "will" them, it will reduce/eliminate that attrition and continue to increase point creep (go see Bob33's post on the point creep issue in WA).  This will continue to further erode the odds of new and beginning hunters.   

Its great folks want to help youth and seniors.  Nobody is arguing those of us who are able to should not help them.  I take new kids hunting as often as my schedule allows.  Most of them do not have a parent or family member that has much hunting experience.  So no, I do not agree that simply because a kid comes from a long line of hunters he should have a huge advantage over the kid whose parent(s) also died tragically but did not come from a hunting family.  Furthermore, points are an opportunity to increase your chance of drawing a tag...THEY ARE NOT AN ENTITLEMENT TO A ONCE IN A LIFETIME HUNT! If you don't like the fact that you can not transfer or will them, then don't buy them...seems pretty simple.

no where in any of my posts did I say they were an entitlement, did i? And the argument of if you dont like it then dont buy it crap, well that dont fly either. Did i ever say I was pissed at the current system? Nope. Did i say its b.s that we cant give them to are kids or seniors? Nope. I do recall however saying it should be allowed, it will suck to go my whole life without drawing A special permit and then DIE, all that money and noone in my family can bennefit, cant even pass the points on to my kids or grand kids.... kinda sucks....

The last part of my post was directed at the larger conversation occurring not just your specific post.  However your sentence that I bolded above implies that you feel your family member should be entitled to more opportunity for a quality hunt in Washington than somebody who doesn't have a dad or someone to inherit points from.  That is where we disagree...if you die with 18 elk points I say you had 18 years with a chance in the draw for a great elk hunt...and your kids can put in each year and also have a chance for a great hunt, but just because you didn't draw doesn't mean your family members chances should exponentially increase. I do not view special permits as entitlements to families who have applied for a long time and spent lots of money on application fees...I view them as "SPECIAL" opportunities. 

[Whitpirate]

Idahohuntr, again, well stated! NOW, the fat lady has sung, and this discussion is over. 

Isn't the purpose of this site to have a discussion.  You sure seem to be willing to pass judgement and deem something done.  Why don't you go drink a cup of coffee and walk outside or something and let the rest of us discuss something that will never happen.  Maybe make a spreadsheet on the horrible effect of point creep that has doomed us all anyway.

[bobcat]

Discuss all you want. I guess some don't get my attempts at humor. 


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[idahohuntr]

The greed shown here is sad at best! You point lovers should really look in the mirror!!! The MODS have just shown that other hunters have no respect because you want more Bone!!!! Pathetic...

  For me personally, I would be a HUGE beneficiary if the state were to adopt a system where points could be willed or inherited so I do not believe it is even remotely fair or accurate to suggest greed is the motive for folks opposed to an inheritance system for points...if that is your argument...maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying 

[kentrek]

Bull kill

Number 1 would be the end of all hunt, agreed

number 2 would be complicated and evidently unfair, i dont see it that way but obviously some do
but is still very do able with out killing bobcat odds of drawing a tag

Number 3 would be a relatively easy id think and could bring a lot of smiles to peoples faces

Inheriting points would lead to point creep in the future with out a doubt but I highly doubt by the time it would be a substantial issue that the points program is still even around

This thread has been an eye opener on how much value people put on them being behind the trigger on a limited draw hunt...seems pretty silly to me but I guess im just a kid who has been given way to much opportunity in his life to realize the value of a "Dayton tag"..its just unfair to give it away   

[Karl Blanchard]

Idahohuntr, again, well stated! NOW, the fat lady has sung, and this discussion is over. 

what are you 9?  Because you have one point of view then that means everyone else's opinion doesn't matter and we shouldn't discuss it?

No, I'm not nine. But I sure wish I could be again! No more sore back, knees, hips, shoulders, etc.     

Bobcat, go for it! And ask your relatives to will you those points you deserve now that you're nine.

My brother had a rocket land on his head, severing his left foot, right arm at the bicep, hundreds of lacerations over the surface of his body, rendering his head and face unrecognizable!  So please Bob and Bob tell my why his son doesn't deserve his bull points!  Feel free to use some more smart ass sarcasm in your comments, its much appreciated!

[Bob33]

"So please Bob and Bob tell my why his son doesn't deserve his bull points!"

Because they're not his son's.

[jackmaster]

thats why selling points shouldn't be allowed but giving your points to a family member OR  an old timer with only a few hunts left should be allowed, it doesn't skew crappy, because the person who gave the points would no longer have points to skew the system with

There is natural attrition or loss associated with points.  If you can "will" them, it will reduce/eliminate that attrition and continue to increase point creep (go see Bob33's post on the point creep issue in WA).  This will continue to further erode the odds of new and beginning hunters.   

Its great folks want to help youth and seniors.  Nobody is arguing those of us who are able to should not help them.  I take new kids hunting as often as my schedule allows.  Most of them do not have a parent or family member that has much hunting experience.  So no, I do not agree that simply because a kid comes from a long line of hunters he should have a huge advantage over the kid whose parent(s) also died tragically but did not come from a hunting family.  Furthermore, points are an opportunity to increase your chance of drawing a tag...THEY ARE NOT AN ENTITLEMENT TO A ONCE IN A LIFETIME HUNT! If you don't like the fact that you can not transfer or will them, then don't buy them...seems pretty simple.

no where in any of my posts did I say they were an entitlement, did i? And the argument of if you dont like it then dont buy it crap, well that dont fly either. Did i ever say I was pissed at the current system? Nope. Did i say its b.s that we cant give them to are kids or seniors? Nope. I do recall however saying it should be allowed, it will suck to go my whole life without drawing A special permit and then DIE, all that money and noone in my family can bennefit, cant even pass the points on to my kids or grand kids.... kinda sucks....

The last part of my post was directed at the larger conversation occurring not just your specific post.  However your sentence that I bolded above implies that you feel your family member should be entitled to more opportunity for a quality hunt in Washington than somebody who doesn't have a dad or someone to inherit points from.  That is where we disagree...if you die with 18 elk points I say you had 18 years with a chance in the draw for a great elk hunt...and your kids can put in each year and also have a chance for a great hunt, but just because you didn't draw doesn't mean your family members chances should exponentially increase. I do not view special permits as entitlements to families who have applied for a long time and spent lots of money on application fees...I view them as "SPECIAL" opportunities.

dude you got me so confused I dont even know what i am looking at anymore, it seems to me some folks allow greed to lead them.... ASTA LAWEGO, thats Spanish for I think

[kentrek]

Discuss all you want. I guess some don't get my attempts at humor. 


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We need a sarcasm font 

[rtspring]

Special Situations! Such as a fallen Hero's son.  You people who are worried about some dead mans kid having an advantage over you are simply disgusting. 

No I dont want all points to be handed down , but with extreme situations I say YES YES YES.. 

Greedy greedy people on here! And you folks wonder why so many goid members have left this site?? Hmmm think about it!

[jackmaster]

"So please Bob and Bob tell my why his son doesn't deserve his bull points!"

Because they're not his son's.

wow bob33, your really concerned about someone having even the slightest bit of a better chance of drawing a tag than you even though I dont see how it would.... you act as if all the sudden that willing points would throw the permit system into a bigger spin than it already is. It wouldn't even happen but maybe a few times a year.

[Atroxus]

I dunno about selling points, but I could get behind having the option to trade points. For example, trade 5 Mountain Goat points to someone for 5 of their Moose points. Or 10 Elk points to someone for their 5 Bighorn Sheep points.

[bobcat]

Trading points now? 


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