selling permitt points

[Curly]

If we really cared about our children, grandchildren, and future generations of hunters we would put an end to preference points.

Something we can all agree on 

 

  Lots of agreement now.    

[huntnphool]

This has turned into a pretty interesting discussion so I started a seperate poll and thread for it. http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150687.msg1999656.html#msg1999656

[elkfins]

The ability to sell or transfer your bonus points will turn hunting for trophy animals a rich mans sport in WA.  Those of us who cannot afford to spend thousands of dollars on enough points to have a realistic chance at getting drawn will be left to hunt general seasons.   If you think it's hard to get drawn for a quality elk tag now, just wait till the rich guys spend thousands of dollars and flood the drawings with their points.

Having said that, I would fully support the ability to will your points to someone else in the event of your death.  What a great gift and potential lasting memory to leave for your child after you're gone.

[arees]

A few comments:

1) I would have little problem with someone handing a tag that they drew to an immediate family member.  They applied for the points and won the permit lottery.  I would restrict it to immediate family members so the rich guy can't put in applications for a few thousand of his "closest friends."  The moderately well off person will benefit because they can put in all of their immediate family members just so they can hand off the tag.  My wife doesn't apply for points because while she hunts, she is not that interested.  If she could hand her tag over to our son we would apply for her as well so she could give any tag she drew to our son.  The odds would be somewhat skewed, but not much.

2) I am in favor of helping youths and to some extent seniors.  We have youth and senior hunts for that.  We could shift more animals into the youth tag pool.  I have no problem with that.  It doesn't skew the odds in favor of the wealthy.

3) I have no problem with some special tags for wounded warrior efforts.  There may be more wounded warriors than there are elk available.  Set up a plan to use some tags for that purposes.

4) Don't implement a bad plan that is open for abuse to solve a problem that has a better solution.  Charity for special cases of tragedy can be handled outside the points system.  If someone has a tragedy that deserves special treatment then organize a hunt for them, out of state if applicable.  I have donated to such efforts in the past and will again in the future.  Don't change the points system so rich people can game the system in their favor.  I thought conservative people were supposed to be in favor of leaving charity in the hands of the private sector.

5) It's not about greed, it's about not implementing a bad plan.

[Jingles]

I'd say what I feel about the point system but I know for a fact that this sight is visited routinely by a WDFW supervisor that tells his people to watch for posters

[Bullkllr]

I'd say what I feel about the point system but I know for a fact that this sight is visited routinely by a WDFW supervisor that tells his people to watch for posters

It's ok for me- I made the "no draw list" a long time ago

[Greg Mullins]

Im with Bobcat

[Maverick]

I can't fully agree with the governor tag and I a guy being able to buy a big bull every year. But the money supposedly goes back to wildlife. The raffle needs a cap though so the rich guys can't basically buy it as well. The point of the raffle was to give the average joe a chance. I'd also be okay with giving points to immediate family. No selling though.

[dis_pat_]

At the very least you should be able to Will your points to one heir.

[Fowlweather25]

  thats what most people hear are arguing for. Not selling. I dont think anyone agrees that we should be able to sell them.

[huntnphool]

The point of the raffle was to give the average joe a chance.

I believe the point of the raffles was revenue generation, not giving the "average Joe" a chance. How many "average Joe's" can purchase 2500 tickets? 

WDFW admin. are not the brightest bunch out there but you can bet you're ars they knew full well what would happen if they left no "reasonable" limit on the ticket purchase. Now that they see what has happened why have they not changed it?

It's all about "REVENUE" and zero about "average Joe" or else it would have a 5 ticket per raffle maximum purchase!

[JLS]

It's all about "REVENUE" and zero about "average Joe" or else it would have a 5 ticket per raffle maximum purchase!

No shortage of truth to this.   

[floatinghat]

This I would support in some manner
*3) I have no problem with some special tags for wounded warrior efforts.  There may be more wounded warriors than there are elk available.  Set up a plan to use some tags for that purposes.

[MattySuto]

I would like WDFW give us the ability to will our points to one family member.

Another bad idea! Only the person who earned the points should be able to use them.


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Why is this a bad idea?  Aaron put in for permits religiously his whole hunting career and was never able to draw a tag before he paid the ultimate price!  Why shouldn't he be able to leave his points to his son so he can one day fulfill his fathers dream!?!!

It's like the G I bill for us military folks.... I earned it for serving my country and can use it if I choose to or I can give it to my wife to use or any one of my 3 kids..... I think you should be able to sell it and maybe have WDFW take a very small percentage .... On what you sell it for for like state parks or something....