How do we get back Sept 8-21 season?

[Rainier10]

Thanks, I found it here.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,155533.25.html

[huntnphool]

how do we get back? wait till next year when labor day is the 7th.....

+1

[splitshot]

  I have said this before;  too many people.  more people, shorter seasons with more restrictions, e.g. spike only.  you cant have a season when the bow guys are clobbering the big bulls, aint gonna happen.   mike w

[popeshawnpaul]

  I have said this before;  too many people.  more people, shorter seasons with more restrictions, e.g. spike only.  you cant have a season when the bow guys are clobbering the big bulls, aint gonna happen.   mike w

Where do you come up with that?  Statistics and the results aren't backing you.  It seems like a good "armchair" quarterback type theory but it's not bearing out in the facts.  What is a "big bull" to you also?  Is a 2.5 year old 5 point raghorn rosie a "big bull"? 

If you remember, modern rifle and muzzy were given more opportunities in 2010 at big bulls, even in the rut.  Things are much different now than they used to be and even then, they were taken out of context.  Fact is, bow-hunters are relegated to cows half the time and at a higher rate than other user groups.  Fact also is bow hunters have been killing a lower percentage of their allotted animals for years now.

[Todd_ID]

  I have said this before;  too many people.  more people, shorter seasons with more restrictions, e.g. spike only.  you cant have a season when the bow guys are clobbering the big bulls, aint gonna happen.   mike w

I respectfully disagree with the point that more people automatically bring shorter seasons and more regulations.  Our seasons are set based on equality of harvest between user groups.  If we convert people to archery from modern or attract more new archery hunters by having better seasons and more opportunity, then the number of animals we're allocated to harvest goes up proportionally when the population can support it (other user groups are restricted in their harvest if the population cannot).

I've crunched the data for every District in the state, and the numbers simply show that archery is not getting their fair share of bulls.  Yes, that sounds selfish, and it is; we advocate FOR archery hunters--not for muzzleloaders or rifle hunters.  We don't advocate against them, per se, but you can bet we'll argue FOR bowhunters up to the point where equality is accomplished.  Nobody wants to see a season where any group clobbers a population, but when archery accounts for 39% of the hunters and only harvest 19% of the bulls taken in a District and rifle accounts for 50% of the hunters and 67% of the bulls taken, then it's time to change the seasons/rules appropriately for both.

[bobcat]

You know, archery hunters would probably harvest a higher percentage of bulls if they weren't able to kill cows first. So maybe one thing that needs to happen is to close many units to antlerless harvest.   

[popeshawnpaul]

You know, archery hunters would probably harvest a higher percentage of bulls if they weren't able to kill cows first. So maybe one thing that needs to happen is to close many units to antlerless harvest.   

 

And cut the thousands of cow tags...   

[wog]

The 300 yard shot comment ,kills me any responsible bow hunter still needs to be 60 yards or closer. up close you have to consider wind , sound, and movement,, plus just a clear path for arrow, the modern bow is just easier to shoot , faster  more accurate. and rifle hunter are taking shot at 1000 yard with the new scope out to day

[huntnphool]

The 300 yard shot comment ,kills me any responsible bow hunter still needs to be 60 yards or closer. up close you have to consider wind , sound, and movement,, plus just a clear path for arrow, the modern bow is just easier to shoot , faster  more accurate. and rifle hunter are taking shot at 1000 yard with the new scope out to day

LOL The only 1000 yard shots are by those that WANT to be taking 1000 yard shots, it has nothing to do with new or old technology scopes!

 That was a quality effort in bringing the technology arguement back into it though!

[snowpack]

The modern season never had really had an expectation of range.  Rifles have been shooting game at long range for many years.  Many guns from WWI were set up for 1,000 yds and found their way back as hunting rifles.  Most of the rifle kills, I've read, are between 80-100 yds.  It is my understanding that the bow seasons were originally billed as needing the separate season because the archers needed to get close to animals (much closer than rifle hunters), but if they are shooting at the same ranges that the majority of rifle hunters take their game at--then where is the need for a handicap in the form of a separate season.  Seems those shooting the long range bows are similarly equipped as the rifle hunters.

[popeshawnpaul]

The modern season never had really had an expectation of range.  Rifles have been shooting game at long range for many years.  Many guns from WWI were set up for 1,000 yds and found their way back as hunting rifles.  Most of the rifle kills, I've read, are between 80-100 yds.  It is my understanding that the bow seasons were originally billed as needing the separate season because the archers needed to get close to animals (much closer than rifle hunters), but if they are shooting at the same ranges that the majority of rifle hunters take their game at--then where is the need for a handicap in the form of a separate season.  Seems those shooting the long range bows are similarly equipped as the rifle hunters.

I won't respond to this because it's obviously a joke, right?   

[huntnphool]

The modern season never had really had an expectation of range.  Rifles have been shooting game at long range for many years.  Many guns from WWI were set up for 1,000 yds and found their way back as hunting rifles.  Most of the rifle kills, I've read, are between 80-100 yds.  It is my understanding that the bow seasons were originally billed as needing the separate season because the archers needed to get close to animals (much closer than rifle hunters), but if they are shooting at the same ranges that the majority of rifle hunters take their game at--then where is the need for a handicap in the form of a separate season.  Seems those shooting the long range bows are similarly equipped as the rifle hunters.

I won't respond to this because it's obviously a joke, right?   

You just did.

[longwalker]

The modern season never had really had an expectation of range.  Rifles have been shooting game at long range for many years.  Many guns from WWI were set up for 1,000 yds and found their way back as hunting rifles.  Most of the rifle kills, I've read, are between 80-100 yds.  It is my understanding that the bow seasons were originally billed as needing the separate season because the archers needed to get close to animals (much closer than rifle hunters), but if they are shooting at the same ranges that the majority of rifle hunters take their game at--then where is the need for a handicap in the form of a separate season.  Seems those shooting the long range bows are similarly equipped as the rifle hunters.

once again the internet ups the anti for ignorance. it would be impressive if it wasnt so sad

[splitshot]

  I remember back in the 60's when we had a lot fewer people the deer season was a month long and you could shoot any bull.  and you could hunt with any weapon.  mike w

[NWWABOWHNTR]

Next year it will be the 8 - 20. Tues after Labor Day opening is what's it has always been since I started. (7years) not sure what it was before.

Only since 2009