Good Bowhunting Sidearm... 40, 10, 45?

[huntnnw]

This thread is hilarious.. Id love to see some in action in the moment you would be sh%#^^* yourself . Then to say ill just shoot it on the head? Give me a break! Or I'll take 16 rds over 2-3 from a 44? I'll take power all day long cause your getting 1-2 shots off not 16! If your getting 16 off then you were shooting a bear that was way to far away and u have no business shooting at.

[Jim the Plumber]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

Depends on barrel length.
A 3.5" barrel on a 10mm vs a 6" barrel on a .357mag is going to level the playing field more than the 10mm fans want to admit.
I will find some ballistic data to support.
Here is some data.
If you click on the link for 10mm, they use a Colt Delta Elite with a 5.03" barrel.
No Glock 10mm runs that long.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html

Going on straight round for round comparison, yes there will be several scenarios where the 10MM  is out powered.
But, for the whole package, which to the Glock 20 in 10mm has in spades, it is very hard to top for the OP's intended purpose.
 To say you will only get 1-2 rounds off during a bear attack is naive at best.

[KFhunter]

This thread is hilarious.. Id love to see some in action in the moment you would be sh%#^^* yourself . Then to say ill just shoot it on the head? Give me a break! Or I'll take 16 rds over 2-3 from a 44? I'll take power all day long cause your getting 1-2 shots off not 16! If your getting 16 off then you were shooting a bear that was way to far away and u have no business shooting at.

not everyone shoots as slowly as you do    And if you don't shat yourself on a grizz charge there is something wrong with you! 


"how many times you can fire on a charging bear" is a fruitless discussion to have - too many factors come to play.
You do have much more control and ability to fire faster and stay on target with an auto - there's no debate in that.



Where I will give the nod to a revolver is if the bear is on you and your down, and it's trying to chew through your skull; you won't have to worry about jamming the revolver into the bear and pulling the trigger while you're fading to black,  where an auto might get shoved out of battery thus FTF.

[Yondering]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

Depends on barrel length.
A 3.5" barrel on a 10mm vs a 6" barrel on a .357mag is going to level the playing field more than the 10mm fans want to admit.

Yes, a some 6" 357's can keep up with a 3.5" 10mm depending on the load. That's not a great comparison though; if you could carry a 6" 357, you could carry a full size (4.5"-5") 10mm Glock or 1911, which will definitely outperform the 357. You have to think about the overal size of the gun as the limiting factor, not the barrel length.

My longslide G20L has a 6.6" barrel; that delivers some serious power but is a bit large for a carry gun. The standard G20 is a better choice in the woods, IMO, although I'm happy with hot loaded 45 hard cast as well. Loading your own in either caliber opens up a lot more options.

If you choose hard-cast 10mm, which is a great choice, I recommend the 200gr instead of the heavier 220gr loads; the 200 is a better size for the 10mm case and a better balance of velocity vs weight. It will still penetrate as deep as you need.

[thinkingman]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

Depends on barrel length.
A 3.5" barrel on a 10mm vs a 6" barrel on a .357mag is going to level the playing field more than the 10mm fans want to admit.

Yes, a some 6" 357's can keep up with a 3.5" 10mm depending on the load. That's not a great comparison though; if you could carry a 6" 357, you could carry a full size (4.5"-5") 10mm Glock or 1911, which will definitely outperform the 357. You have to think about the overal size of the gun as the limiting factor, not the barrel length.

My longslide G20L has a 6.6" barrel; that delivers some serious power but is a bit large for a carry gun. The standard G20 is a better choice in the woods, IMO, although I'm happy with hot loaded 45 hard cast as well. Loading your own in either caliber opens up a lot more options.

If you choose hard-cast 10mm, which is a great choice, I recommend the 200gr instead of the heavier 220gr loads; the 200 is a better size for the 10mm case and a better balance of velocity vs weight. It will still penetrate as deep as you need.

10mm/Glock fanboys are not going to like this one bit....But it's only Buffalo Bore themselves testing so it's not like they know what they're doing.....https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=146
Click on 'Heavy 10mm' and 'Heavy 357 Magnum' for actual ballistics out of actual firearms.

[Jim the Plumber]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

Depends on barrel length.
A 3.5" barrel on a 10mm vs a 6" barrel on a .357mag is going to level the playing field more than the 10mm fans want to admit.

Yes, a some 6" 357's can keep up with a 3.5" 10mm depending on the load. That's not a great comparison though; if you could carry a 6" 357, you could carry a full size (4.5"-5") 10mm Glock or 1911, which will definitely outperform the 357. You have to think about the overal size of the gun as the limiting factor, not the barrel length.

My longslide G20L has a 6.6" barrel; that delivers some serious power but is a bit large for a carry gun. The standard G20 is a better choice in the woods, IMO, although I'm happy with hot loaded 45 hard cast as well. Loading your own in either caliber opens up a lot more options.

If you choose hard-cast 10mm, which is a great choice, I recommend the 200gr instead of the heavier 220gr loads; the 200 is a better size for the 10mm case and a better balance of velocity vs weight. It will still penetrate as deep as you need.

10mm/Glock fanboys are not going to like this one bit....But it's only Buffalo Bore themselves testing so it's not like they know what they're doing.....https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=146
Click on 'Heavy 10mm' and 'Heavy 357 Magnum' for actual ballistics out of actual firearms.

Why do you feel the '10mm/ Glock' "fanboys" won't like your link?
50BMG has ~13054 foot pounds of muzzle energy. The 357 mag w/ 6" barrel ~ 800 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
See what I did there?

[pashok23]

This thread is hilarious.. Id love to see some in action in the moment you would be sh%#^^* yourself . Then to say ill just shoot it on the head? Give me a break! Or I'll take 16 rds over 2-3 from a 44? I'll take power all day long cause your getting 1-2 shots off not 16! If your getting 16 off then you were shooting a bear that was way to far away and u have no business shooting at.

[Hornseeker]

U never know how many shots you might get... I can't remember exactly what I asked, but after more days of thought, I think a lot of the time I'll carry spray but want a gun in camp and when we are processing a bull...

After much deliberation, and research and discussion.... I think having a G20 would be fine. But I would feel better with my 44 and it's 320 grainers...

Fun thread though! Who, if anyone, has been charged by a griz? Someone above mentioned squaring off with a couple... More details!

I have not been close to a griz but have friends that have been bluff charged and charged that have shot and killed griz here in MT and WY. All used 44's with great success, except one that was actually black bear hunting and used his 7 mag....

I think none shat themselves... But all were shaken.

They all prefer 44 or spray... Or 7!
Hehe

[mountainman]

Never a grizzly, but 2 blackbear and 1 cougar...all were close, all with rifles..but have shot many blackbear with 44's and Casull's. all were one shot plop's!

[magnanimous_j]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

My understanding is that most of the off the shelf 10mm ammo is just a slight improvement over .40 cal and those fabulous ballistics that are posted all over are from military loads that are not readily available to the public.

[Jim the Plumber]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

My understanding is that most of the off the shelf 10mm ammo is just a slight improvement over .40 cal and those fabulous ballistics that are posted all over are from military loads that are not readily available to the public.

What military uses the 10mm? And what load(s) are you talking about?

[KFhunter]

bears aren't the biggest threat out there,  I'll list the threats in order.


1) Tweakers and other knot headed folks are the biggest threat.  I've have people level a rifle at me because I was about to discover an outdoor grow-op.
2) Wolves
3) Cougar - starving cats competing with wolves have moved up the list of threatening animals
4) Bear


That's the way I see it, location specific of course factors can change.   As such I'm getting away from the hard cast 200gr I used to carry and going to hollow points with a good mix of expansion and penetration.   

[Biggerhammer]

Funny stuff!

[KFhunter]

Funny stuff!

Do you beg to differ?

[Bofire]

  What ever cartridge you choose or "expert" you chose to listen to, the best advice is:

"Be able to shoot it well and fast"

Carl