Good Bowhunting Sidearm... 40, 10, 45?

[Biggerhammer]

Funny stuff!

Do you beg to differ?

Refering to some of the thread in general👍

[mountainman]

What ever cartridge you choose or "expert" you chose to listen to, the best advice is:

"Be able to shoot it well and fast"

Carl

[KFhunter]

Hey gotta have a little fun with it huh?

[Hornseeker]

What parts are funny BigHam? Maybe you can offer some good advice. Do you know what rounds stack up to a griz skull? Good pack able guns and calibers?

Like I said... Fun thread.

I wish I had experience killing griz... But don't! I bet there are some old timers in AK that could tell us a thing or two about killing griz with head shots.

[mountainman]

Have owned and shot extensively the 44, 45LC, 454, 460, and the 500sw.  This is the combo I carry every time I am in the woods. A SW 329pd . 320 gr8. Extra hardcast,  gas checked, wide meplate. At 1350 f.p.s., will do the job on anything on the planet when bones need to be broken. Carry this load when hunting brownies up on Baranoff. Never had the opportunity. To use it in defense, but confident when walking through the rainforest stalking 900# bears!

[Hornseeker]

Yep... That round gives me confidence too. I could easily go that route again...

[thinkingman]

bears aren't the biggest threat out there,  I'll list the threats in order.


1) Tweakers and other knot headed folks are the biggest threat.  I've have people level a rifle at me because I was about to discover an outdoor grow-op.
2) Wolves
3) Cougar - starving cats competing with wolves have moved up the list of threatening animals
4) Bear


That's the way I see it, location specific of course factors can change.   As such I'm getting away from the hard cast 200gr I used to carry and going to hollow points with a good mix of expansion and penetration.

Add wild/semi-wild dogs to the list.
I hunted with a guy that had to 'discourage' a group of PBs that charged his bird dog on the Yak Res.
The threats are real.

[quadrafire]

Hey Mountainman......Clear out your PM box

[BobW]

Was fishing with a friend and a guide who is also a buddy of mine that  also guides in Alaska a few years ago and this subject came up. My guide buddy just sat there and rowed the boat while we tired to figure the best handgun and caliber to carry. Finally he chimed in with the statement that it did not matter what gun or caliber you had just be sure to file the front sight off.  That way it's easier to pull it out after the bear stuffs it up your ass.  Carry a rifle or shotgun, and chances are if you don't have it in your hands you won't get the chance to use it.

[stryker]

9mm = NO
.40 is just an under powered 10mm

.45 is a bit slower but larger diameter
10mm has some blazing fast rounds. 2400 ft/s for the light stuff AND you can also get dumb'd down 10mm ammo that is in the 9mm range.

I REALLY like the versatility in my 10mm.

[Yondering]

9mm = NO
.40 is just an under powered 10mm

.45 is a bit slower but larger diameter
10mm has some blazing fast rounds. 2400 ft/s for the light stuff AND you can also get dumb'd down 10mm ammo that is in the 9mm range.

I REALLY like the versatility in my 10mm.

2400 fps is stretching it just a wee bit, for any bullets within the normal weight range (135-230gr). Did you mean 1400 fps? 1600-1800 is possible with the lightweight 135-155gr bullets. I'm pushing a 165gr cast at 1650+ fps from mine, but that's a longslide with max loads.

Agreed on the versatility though.

[Bofire]

  For 10mm: I have factory ballistics for 20 rounds; 115 grain thru 200. Corbon,Hornady winchester PMC Remington.

The fastest load is Corbon115 at 1650 fps.  135 grain 1400; 155 grain 1200, 165 1250;175-180 grain1300; some 180 down to 1100;  200 grain 1050-1125 fps.


Bunch of 357 mag loads: 158 grain 1200-1545fps; 170-180 grain 1100-1200; 200 grain Cor-bon hardcast 1150 fps.
very comparable, longer slimmer 357 bullet or short fatter bullet 10mm??? Historical performance would have the longer slimmer bullet penetrating straighter and further.

Carl

[thinkingman]

For 10mm: I have factory ballistics for 20 rounds; 115 grain thru 200. Corbon,Hornady winchester PMC Remington.

The fastest load is Corbon115 at 1650 fps.  135 grain 1400; 155 grain 1200, 165 1250;175-180 grain1300; some 180 down to 1100;  200 grain 1050-1125 fps.


Bunch of 357 mag loads: 158 grain 1200-1545fps; 170-180 grain 1100-1200; 200 grain Cor-bon hardcast 1150 fps.
very comparable, longer slimmer 357 bullet or short fatter bullet 10mm??? Historical performance would have the longer slimmer bullet penetrating straighter and further.

Carl

Precisely why I chose 357 Mag.

[stryker]

9mm = NO
.40 is just an under powered 10mm

.45 is a bit slower but larger diameter
10mm has some blazing fast rounds. 2400 ft/s for the light stuff AND you can also get dumb'd down 10mm ammo that is in the 9mm range.

I REALLY like the versatility in my 10mm.

2400 fps is stretching it just a wee bit, for any bullets within the normal weight range (135-230gr). Did you mean 1400 fps? 1600-1800 is possible with the lightweight 135-155gr bullets. I'm pushing a 165gr cast at 1650+ fps from mine, but that's a longslide with max loads.

Agreed on the versatility though.

Its a light round made by rbcd, (10mm 77 gr.  2420 fps / 1015 flbs), nothing I would use in bear country but a coyote or cougar... hell yea!

I prefer the 155gr bonded hp from Underwood for daily carry (155gr. 1500 fps / 775 flbs) but in the field I typically carry FMJ for increased penetration and bone breaking ability.

[stryker]

How does a 357 mag stack up to the 10mm?

My understanding is that most of the off the shelf 10mm ammo is just a slight improvement over .40 cal and those fabulous ballistics that are posted all over are from military loads that are not readily available to the public.

LOL! Then you should expand where you shop.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/10mmauto.aspx
http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/category&path=126_134
http://rbcd.net/Products/Personal_Defense