New goat units

[Ridgerunner]

Anyone notice the new goat units.  Interesting the seasons are so short in these units.  Anyone know much about the goat populations in these units?  I'm just glad to see goat permits move in a positive direction for once.

[starbailey]

I seen the added tags/units and was wondering why the shortened season also. 

[fishngamereaper]

There are no goats in the Olympics......

Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.

[Big6bull]

I'm curious to know if these tags are more of a solution the law suit and issues with hikers and goats. And not so much of a hunt able population.

Link I found

http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20120830/NEWS/120839999/hikers-feeding-mountain-goats-keeps-popular-olympic-national-forest

[dreamunelk]

There are no goats in the Olympics......

Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.

 

I sacrifice my time to explore this also.  Promise I will give good report.

[Boss .300 winmag]

There are no goats in the Olympics......

Everyone apply for goat rocks again and I will tell you how the hunting is in Olympics.

 

I sacrifice my time to explore this also.  Promise I will give good report.

Everyone put in for the Olympics since it hasn't been hunted in years, and I will tell you how dismal the hunting in avalanche gorge is.   

[pd]

There are no goats in the Olympics......

No talking in the library.   Shhhhhhhhhhhh.

[actionshooter]

  I'm just glad to see goat permits move in a positive direction for once.

Yep, Excited to see this.

[blacktailer]

I like you reasoning and logic Boss .300.....

[180-GRAIN]

Man there has got to be some big goats in the Olympics . Just saying if there is a huntable population and they have not been hunted in years there has to be some old billies running around.

[billythekidrock]

  I'm just glad to see goat permits move in a positive direction for once.

Yep, Excited to see this.

Glad to see this in the regs.. hate seeing it on the internet.

[snowpack]

Why do you guys think they haven't been getting hunted?  Tribes never lost the season.  Think the Skoks got two last fall down near Mt Washington.

[pd]

Why do you guys think they haven't been getting hunted?  Tribes never lost the season.  Think the Skoks got two last fall down near Mt Washington.

Snowpack, I don't follow your logic.  The Olympic hunt has returned because tribal hunting has continued?  What is the connection?

[snowpack]

Why do you guys think they haven't been getting hunted?  Tribes never lost the season.  Think the Skoks got two last fall down near Mt Washington.

Snowpack, I don't follow your logic.  The Olympic hunt has returned because tribal hunting has continued?  What is the connection?

Saying that it is not like the area hasn't been hunted.

[pd]

Saying that it is not like the area hasn't been hunted.

Gotcha.  If that is the case I would question why there is a tribal harvest (of goats), but no non-tribal harvest.  But I am not getting into that morass.  Thanks for the information; I didn't know some of the tribes were hunting goats in the Olympics.

[Ridgerunner]

Interesting the tribes are hunting a non native species.  One that was introduced well after treaties were signed, very interesting.

[grundy53]

Interesting the tribes are hunting a non native species.  One that was introduced well after treaties were signed, very interesting.

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[shanevg]

Tribal hunting continues in a lot of closed areas. I know of 8-10 goats at least in the last couple years that were harvested by tribal members in areas around Mt Baker that WDFW says don't have huntable populations.  At least one was a transient goat that WDFW was tracking and thought was trying to set up a new population on a new mountain.

Frustrating to see the least to say tribes harvesting more goats out of a single herd then the rest of the state is legally allowed to "sustainably" harvest statewide in a given year. 

[Bwana Bob]

I wonder if the trophy potential in the new areas are as good as the other hunt areas. With 18 points I was serious thinking of applying to both those new areas.
Anybody know who to call about the goats there?
Too bad they can't or won't open areas that have fewer than 100 goats on a rotating basis, say every 5th year, for thew taking of one goat. I kill my goat in 92 in the gold creek area of Snoq pass. There must be some goats left in that area. I saw over 40 when I hunted it back then.

[Tbar]

Tribal hunting continues in a lot of closed areas. I know of 8-10 goats at least in the last couple years that were harvested by tribal members in areas around Mt Baker that WDFW says don't have huntable populations.  At least one was a transient goat that WDFW was tracking and thought was trying to set up a new population on a new mountain.

Frustrating to see the least to say tribes harvesting more goats out of a single herd then the rest of the state is legally allowed to "sustainably" harvest statewide in a given year.

8-10 at least?  Just curious where you are getting your info.  NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.

[shanevg]

8-10 at least?  Just curious where you are getting your info.  NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.

Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.

I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.

[Tbar]

8-10 at least?  Just curious where you are getting your info.  NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.

Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.

I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.

Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim.  I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward.  I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe.  There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between. 

[MarkyMark]

Honest question here, why do people hunt mountain goats? Are they good eatin'? Or is it just for something to do?

[DIYARCHERYJUNKIE]

Good eats.

[X-Force]

8-10 at least?  Just curious where you are getting your info.  NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.

Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.

I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.

Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim.  I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward.  I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe.  There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between.

I know of at least one tribe that has OTC goat tags and every unit north of I90 to the PCT is open to them. Guys I know often hunt north of Mt Baker hwy and around white horse. I don't know how many goats tribal members harvest but I wouldn't be surprised by Shane's numbers.

[3nails]

8-10 at least?  Just curious where you are getting your info.  NWIFC? WDFW? Not saying it didn't happen just wanting info sources if it did? There is supposed to be mandatory reporting by the tribes in the Mt Baker area, they have been spending money and resources doing research for the last 15 or so years that I'm aware of.

Some through first hand reports, some through second hand reports, some through pictures texted to me, at least one through report of a dead goat that WDFW attributed to tribal hunters.

I've not heard anything about local tribes reporting harvest of goats to WDFW although I could easily be wrong.

Most report to nwifc, who then report and work with the wdfw (this should be any tribe hunting Baker). Several of the tribes even have quotas (the quota is I believe 2), that usually go unfilled. If you have first hand knowledge that's one thing but "at least 8-10" is a large claim.  I don't doubt that a few go unreported but I know for fact this is something the tribes are trying to keep tabs on in the Baker area for management reasons moving forward.  I also know goat hunters are a select group and that terrain is not for the average Joe.  There are a few select areas that you and I probably both know where goats are vulnerable but those areas are few and far between.

His claim may actually be conservative. I don't want to get into it but one herd in particular gets hit pretty hard. A herd that is outside of the management areas.

[asl20bball]

Honest question here, why do people hunt mountain goats? Are they good eatin'? Or is it just for something to do?

1. Good eating
2. Wildlife conservation (most important reason)
3. And yes, something to do.

[shanevg]

I'm surprised by the quota you list as well. I was told first hand by a member of a local tribe that they were allowed to shoot one goat per family in the tribe and that tags were transferable so he could shoot pretty much as many goats as he wants. Another first hand report was from someone on the tribal council whose wife shot one and he told me he was out helping look for two other goat hunters who were lost after they chased a wounded goat and got cliffed out. That search was even done by local mountain rescue with a police report and everything.

Granted that was 2-3 years ago now so things may have changed since then.

Also when WWU was doing a bunch of research projects up there I knew a bunch of the students and they were very curious how many goats I thought were poached or shot by tribal hunters. They made pretty clear that they were very unsure how many goats are killed in a given year because of unreported tribal hunting and/or poaching.

[tonymoe]

SUPER excited about the new goat hunts! I can't wait to wait for the anticipation!
Did you see that the avg point draw was 0?
That's fish in a barrel with my points!!!!!!

[Tbar]

I'm surprised by the quota you list as well. I was told first hand by a member of a local tribe that they were allowed to shoot one goat per family in the tribe and that tags were transferable so he could shoot pretty much as many goats as he wants. Another first hand report was from someone on the tribal council whose wife shot one and he told me he was out helping look for two other goat hunters who were lost after they chased a wounded goat and got cliffed out. That search was even done by local mountain rescue with a police report and everything.

Granted that was 2-3 years ago now so things may have changed since then.

Also when WWU was doing a bunch of research projects up there I knew a bunch of the students and they were very curious how many goats I thought were poached or shot by tribal hunters. They made pretty clear that they were very unsure how many goats are killed in a given year because of unreported tribal hunting and/or poaching.

There are a unregulated # of tags out there by certain tribes, I think I know which tribe you are talking about.  I also know who was the cooperative partner doing the study with WWU. I will look into how many goats were taken if they give up the info (a coin flip at best).   I still am wondering about the 8-10 and now a claim that that's on the conservative side. .. I will do some digging but like I said before and your first hand knowledge(the mountain rescue), goat country is for a select few.
I am still not even doubting you claim, it's just a significant number when speaking of a highly volatile population in the area of 450 +/-.

[snowpack]

the tribes that hunt these new units don't have a quota that I know of.  They can get one tag per person per year from what I remember.  I don't recall them being transferrable, so only a few goats get to take their 'leadicine'.

[shanevg]

There are a unregulated # of tags out there by certain tribes, I think I know which tribe you are talking about.  I also know who was the cooperative partner doing the study with WWU. I will look into how many goats were taken if they give up the info (a coin flip at best).   I still am wondering about the 8-10 and now a claim that that's on the conservative side. .. I will do some digging but like I said before and your first hand knowledge(the mountain rescue), goat country is for a select few.
I am still not even doubting you claim, it's just a significant number when speaking of a highly volatile population in the area of 450 +/-.

Would love to be wrong and would love to hear what you find.

[rosscrazyelk]

I was hoping no-one would see this in the regs