Is this a Blacktail Rub?

[aorams]

Location: snoqualmie tree farm

[h20hunter]

Any pics of closer up? Looks more like bear to me from the shot taken.

[D-Rock425]

Its a backpack

[D-Rock425]

Very hard to tell from the pic.

[aorams]

I'll get a closer one next time I go in there

[boneaddict]

Not very many whitetail in the area and not very many muledeer in the area.   I think I see rubbings laying under the backpack but cant confirm since I wasnt there, and cant confirm if there was hair in the sap from said rubber.  Most bears peel and eat, not rub up and down which is what I think I see in the photo posted.  It would be a good guess that it was a blacktail.  Was there more than one?  There are just somethings a person cant have a definitive answer for reals without being there or having better photo evidence.  Again, I suppose its a good guess.

[Tbar]

It is more than  likely an elk rub.  Can't say for sure without seeing it better but that's my guess.

[jackmaster]

Elk rub, I have seen blacktail make rubs like that though, there will be hair in the rub, you just gotta find it, there always is

[sakoshooter]

I'd say it was a raccoon rub. Mating rub. When those old male raccoons get to rutting hard, they'll really tear up the trees. 

[jackmaster]

I'd say it was a raccoon rub. Mating rub. When those old male raccoons get to rutting hard, they'll really tear up the trees. 

Mark just because they legalized Mary Jane doesn't mean you need to partake:)

[grundy53]

I would say probably elk, maybe deer.

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[bhawley76]

Are you talking by carnation farms? I have seen some big black tail while fishing the Snoqualmie, Elk to so kind of hard to say. Maybe BIGFOOT

[aorams]

Are you talking by carnation farms? I have seen some big black tail while fishing the Snoqualmie, Elk to so kind of hard to say. Maybe BIGFOOT

This is the hancock tree farm.

https://www.hancockrecreationnw.com/snoqualmie/about/about-snoqualmie

[aorams]

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[RadSav]

That would be one small elk if that were an elk rub.  I would say deer rub.  Elk with any tines at all would have been aggressive enough to break branches on that smaller rub.  And generally elk rub randomly not in lines.  They might revisit the same spot over and over throughout the years, but they don't usually make scrape or rub lines.  Hair is the best indicator though.

[Boss .300 winmag]

I can tell you it wasn't stick people, I saw the video on how they became extinct!

[D-Rock425]

Seems to short to be an elk rub.

[aorams]

Will the hair be embedded into the bark or will I find it on the ground?  If this rub is from last fall won't the hair all be blown or washed away?

[Ccortez]

Looks like a rag horn elk rub

[blindpig]

Looks to be more of a rub than a peel.  There are some pretty big deer in the hancock.  Right Hauler 

[billythekidrock]

The first pic is definitely not a bear. Possibly a bt but probably a small bull. Looks to me like there are some small slashes in the bark up high to the left of the split.

[jackmaster]

Will the hair be embedded into the bark or will I find it on the ground?  If this rub is from last fall won't the hair all be blown or washed away?

the hair will be in the bark or stuck in the pitch, any small branches will act like tweezers and pull the hair out, if its a blacktail the hairs will be about an inch to inch and a qaurter, with a blacktip mixed, elk will be alot longer and a deep chocolate brown

[Happy Gilmore]

Here are a few from the Hancock- My opinion on these might be wrong?

Bear


Blacktail


Blacktail


Elk


Elk


Brown Wolf


Bear


Bear


Bear(Fall City Yard)

[D-Rock425]

I believe the ones that are peeled way up the tree are actually porcupine.

[h20hunter]

Brown wolf.....

[jackmaster]

Some bear some rubs but the ones that go through and up the tree are porupine

[Happy Gilmore]

Some bear some rubs but the ones that go through and up the tree are porupine

I've heard porcupines do a lot of damage but, I was also told the bears do that too. There were probably 20+ trees freshly peeled in the area I took those photos. Bear crap everywhere.

[Mtn.Ghost]

To the OP..........You got blacktail rubs all day in your pics no doubt about it

Some of the latter pics are bear and prob porky up high seeing as none of those small branches are busted up much. I think a bear would have snapped a bunch of them small limbs    

[billythekidrock]

The last two peeled tree pics show bear peels. They will climb and peel the whole tree if it tastes good.

In this cropped, rotated and zoomed portion of your photo you can see a large piece of bark peeled that landed in the limbs.



Remember, cubs peel too.

[aorams]

To the OP..........You got blacktail rubs all day in your pics no doubt about it

This makes me happy!!

[billythekidrock]

High Bear peels. Pics of same tree.





Base of tree damaged by bear will have large pieces of bark.

[billythekidrock]

Porcupine damage.



Base if Porcupine damaged tree will have small pieces of bark and often there will be small round turds and quills.

[billythekidrock]

Notice the difference between bear and porky damage. The edges are often softer with porky and they are always chewed,  not clawed like a bear.

Bear


Porcupine

[Happy Gilmore]

The tree farms get bear damage control permits. The amount of trees which were damaged was significant. Bear population in the area causing major issues. It's a popular spot to see trailers pulled by brown trucks going behind locked gates with black and white dogs barking in the back window. The bears in the area also come running to the sound of the garbage truck coming up the road. When the garbage man wears bear spray for one road on his route, you know something aint right.

[sakoshooter]

Porcupine ate the bark off that one tree between the branches.

[Happy Gilmore]

There would have to be so many porkies in the woods doing damage one would think you'd see them more often or dogs would get into them? I've never seen one dead or alive on the west side in my life. I know that doesn't mean they aren't here. Seen many in E. Wa. Never have seen one on the Wet side.

[jackmaster]

There would have to be so many porkies in the woods doing damage one would think you'd see them more often or dogs would get into them? I've never seen one dead or alive on the west side in my life. I know that doesn't mean they aren't here. Seen many in E. Wa. Never have seen one on the Wet side.

definatly plenty on the westside, its so thick over here, i have killed a few, my poor hounds took the brunt of most of it, pulloing barbed quills from out poor little feamle walkers was just flat painful, mostly painful for the hound but very painful for me, i didnt like seeing my hounds in pain, probably another reason why i never ran bear with hounds i hear porky hides are worth somethin but not sure

[grundy53]

There would have to be so many porkies in the woods doing damage one would think you'd see them more often or dogs would get into them? I've never seen one dead or alive on the west side in my life. I know that doesn't mean they aren't here. Seen many in E. Wa. Never have seen one on the Wet side.

There are tons of them over here. When I was younger we used to kill them all of the time. They are mostly nocturnal. Although I have seen quite a few during the day too.

[sakoshooter]

I'd say it was a raccoon rub. Mating rub. When those old male raccoons get to rutting hard, they'll really tear up the trees. 

Mark just because they legalized Mary Jane doesn't mean you need to partake:)

LOL Jackmaster.
Could also be from a possum. I don't have any first hand experience w/them but I've heard stories that'll make your hair stand up.

[irishevox]

when were these taken?  they aren't growing antlers back yet ...

[aorams]

went back today.  found dark brown and black 3 to 4" long hairs everywhere plus a ton of fresh elk sign...

[Tom Tamer]

Some of those are just decaying bark picture, the couple on the larger trees, while I have witnessed a Blacktail attacking a tree that large( He was a Monster Buck) they're most likely elk rubs. Not too common for a Blacktail to attack a tree that large. My guess is Elk, but if you can go back and investigate to see if any hair was left at the rub, most the time one that large there will be some hair stuck in the pitch or barkline.