OIL average points

[Elkstuffer]

Anyone else notice that every one of the Once in a Lifetime tags, except youth, all had 10 and 11 average points to draw last year? Even the units that only gave out 1 tag. This tells me that everyone with 12 or more points already surpassed there opportunity to draw one of these tags . Unfortunately I'm in that category also

[trophyhunt]

Did you notice that they also decreased our backyard sheep tags?

the mucks might have started hunting them, or yak's?

[idahohuntr]

Anyone else notice that every one of the Once in a Lifetime tags, except youth, all had 10 and 11 average points to draw last year? Even the units that only gave out 1 tag. This tells me that everyone with 12 or more points already surpassed there opportunity to draw one of these tags . Unfortunately I'm in that category also

Yes.  I also noticed the last 3 powerball jackpot winners were an average 49 years old.  An equally useful statistic to wdfw's average points.

[Bob33]

I gather this was posted as satire, but just in case anyone really takes this seriously: average points for OIL tags are completely meaningless.

For "any moose" in 2013, applicants drew with every number of actual points from 2 to 18. This table lists points, applications, and successful applications for each point level.


20   5   0
19   7   0
18   372   10
17   238   3
16   244   7
15   638   8
14   648   6
13   675   9
12   766   4
11   873   6
10   1,032   4
9   1,107   3
8   1,147   5
7   1,303   4
6   1,430   1
5   1,505   3
4   1,608   1
3   1,790   1
2   1,766   1
1   2,533   0

[bobcat]

"For "any moose" in 2013, applicants drew with every number of actual points from 1 to 18"


Except for those with 1 point, correct?

[Bob33]

"For "any moose" in 2013, applicants drew with every number of actual points from 1 to 18"


Except for those with 1 point, correct?

From 2 to 18.

[snowpack]

So even with permit app price increase, they managed to sell to an additional 800ish people over previous years.

[huntnnw]

points mean nothing in this state other than a recipt showing you have applied this many times! really all about your name in the hat and pure luck

[starbailey]

[/quote]the mucks might have started hunting them, or yak's?
[/quote]

The Yakama and Muckelshoots have been hunting bighorns for several years. You wouldn't like to hear how many tags they give out!

[RadSav]

"For "any moose" in 2013, applicants drew with every number of actual points from 2 to 18"

Those 12 guys at the top must figure WDFW hates them even more than they hate me 

I also noticed the last 3 powerball jackpot winners were an average 49 years old.  An equally useful statistic.

NICE! 

[EyeTooth]

My wife says I have too many points and that it only takes 8, so I'm going back to about 8.

[PA BEN]

points mean nothing in this state other than a recipt showing you have applied this many times! really all about your name in the hat and pure luck

Yeah, your names in the hat how ever many points you have. I drew in '08 w/10 points. 49 had 22 tags that year and 14000 put in for it.

[Falcon]

points mean nothing in this state other than a recipt showing you have applied this many times! really all about your name in the hat and pure luck

Yeah, your names in the hat how ever many points you have. I drew in '08 w/10 points. 49 had 22 tags that year and 14000 put in for it.

 
Pa Ben
I like your attitude!
I have 17 pts for moose.
I hope inherit your luck

[B.G.hunter]

Did anyone notice that the average points category change for average points to draw to average points applied.

[bobcat]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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[B.G.hunter]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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Yes but it was the average points people who drew. Now it is the average points of the people who apply.

[idahohuntr]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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Yes but it was the average points people who drew. Now it is the average points of the people who apply.

Interesting...where did you find that?  I see in the regs it says Apps/Avg pts but I did not see where they define what avg pts are...would not surprise me if they changed up some of their false advertising 

[B.G.hunter]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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Yes but it was the average points people who drew. Now it is the average points of the people who apply.

Interesting...where did you find that?  I see in the regs it says Apps/Avg pts but I did not see where they define what avg pts are...would not surprise me if they changed up some of their false advertising 

Look at the regulations then look at the points used category.  Example Vulcan mountain sheep tag the recipient had 17 points the regulations show "average points" 10.

[idahohuntr]

Interesting...this is probably a more honest/usable number than avg. pts of those who drew...

[Bob33]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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Yes but it was the average points people who drew. Now it is the average points of the people who apply.

Interesting...where did you find that?  I see in the regs it says Apps/Avg pts but I did not see where they define what avg pts are...would not surprise me if they changed up some of their false advertising 

Look at the regulations then look at the points used category.  Example Vulcan mountain sheep tag the recipient had 17 points the regulations show "average points" 10.

If true that is a more meaningful statistic. Average points of 10 for all Vulcan sheep apps means there are 120,000 names in the hat for 1 tag: 10 squared times 1200 apps. Pretty easy to figure our your odds for that one.

[B.G.hunter]

There is no such thing as "average points to draw."


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Yes but it was the average points people who drew. Now it is the average points of the people who apply.

Interesting...where did you find that?  I see in the regs it says Apps/Avg pts but I did not see where they define what avg pts are...would not surprise me if they changed up some of their false advertising 

Look at the regulations then look at the points used category.  Example Vulcan mountain sheep tag the recipient had 17 points the regulations show "average points" 10.

If true that is a more meaningful statistic. Average points of 10 for all Vulcan sheep apps means there are 120,000 names in the hat for 1 tag: 10 squared times 1200 apps. Pretty easy to figure our your odds for that one.

I know but it is interesting that the WDFW would do something like that.

[furbearer365]

My neighbor (and practically my grandpa due to the length Ive know him) was one of the guys with 19.  He is going in this year with 20 and lets just say I am soooo rooting for him.  He is in his early 70's but the guy can still pack it on.  I would be jacked to watch him walk over with that huge smile just to tell me he finally drew.  Hell, after 19 years, he walks over anyway with a huge smile just to say he didn't draw.  After 19 years of waiting, apparently it is getting to be a joke to him.

[bobcat]

19 is the most points you could have this year, unless you got points for turning in a poacher.but, who's counting?

[Falcon]

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My neighbor (and practically my grandpa due to the length Ive know him) was one of the guys with 19.  He is going in this year with 20 and lets just say I am soooo rooting for him.  He is in his early 70's but the guy can still pack it on.  I would be jacked to watch him walk over with that huge smile just to tell me he finally drew.  Hell, after 19 years, he walks over anyway with a huge smile just to say he didn't draw.  After 19 years of waiting, apparently it is getting to be a joke to him.
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Sounds like he has a good attitude. I hope he gets his chance. In
All reality there just way too many people for these oil tags.
For the guys like me who put in since day 1 with 19 points. We
Have a chance but it's pretty low. If a guy is really counting
On a oil tag in this state they should be realistic and seriously
Save their money for an out state hunt while they are young
So they can do that dream hunt before they get too old for
The mtns. That is especially true with sheep and goats.

Having said that I wish you neighbor draws that moose tag this year.

[furbearer365]

I asked him why he has waited so long just to kill a moose!!  I told him that he could of probably drawn out of state or even just paid for one up in Alaskan by this time.  But he told me that it is more about hunting one in his own state as opposed to just killing a moose.  He agreed that this could of been done an easier way, but taking a shiras moose in Washington state is what his moose dreams are all about.  So I have to give him that one.