What could happen if you illegal baiting deer

[Birdguy]

What I am trying to say is just enjoy what we have. Embrace the different ways of hunting, who knows you may want to try some other way to hunt.  Just because we don't agree with the way someone hunts dosent mean we will feel the same way next year.

I could not agree more. How many guys that now muzzy or archery hunt used to, or started out rifle hunting? It kills me each year when we as "sportsmen" get all worked up because the seasons get shorter, group "x" gets a better season, that group gets more permits, or a bunch of other issues. Bottom line is the sport is changing each day, access is going away, seasons are shorter, game is tougher to find, pay to play is where we are headed, timber companies are just charging access like the DNR. We as sportsmen and women need to be thankful for anyone else enjoying our sport, if you are the only one hunting it will not be long before no one is hunting. I do not agree with a lot of what is going on but "we" need to stick together and ensure all of us have our opportunities or soon none of us will be able to enjoy our chosen method of hunting .

[smalldog]

Thankyou Birdguy, that is exactly what I am trying to say. I am glad that someone understands the way things are going.  The sportsman and woman need to get more active at the game dept. meetings or phone calls or e-mails and give our voice a loader cry to try and better our sports.  Lets stick together

[DRobnsn]

Thankyou Birdguy, that is exactly what I am trying to say. I am glad that someone understands the way things are going.  The sportsman and woman need to get more active at the game dept. meetings or phone calls or e-mails and give our voice a loader cry to try and better our sports.  Lets stick together

I'm with you smalldog, I hadn't seen the other thread before I read yours so to me it sounded very strange at first. 

[billythekidrock]

I am pissed over the polls and all it takes is some idiot group to decide to get signatures like they did on bear hunting and next thing is its on the ballot. When that happens then its up to the voters and that is how you can loose on this. The anti hunting groups sit back and watch and wait for the right time and they will act on it.  People forget that the game dept. is not funded by sportsman, its funded by the tax payer in the general fund and that is what gives the right to anybody to go get signatures and get it on the ballot.  That's very dangerous to the sportsman. The voter can take away anything they want if they get the signatures and it ends up on the battot. Do not underestimate the power of that system.  Years ago the game dept. was solely funded by the sportsman. The game dept. went bankrupt and the governor took over the game dept.  If all the sportsman clubs in this state would have united then, we could have stopped this.  At that time all the sportsman were all fighting amongst themselves instead of using their heads and we lost our control of the game dept.  I know I am rambling on this but, I have been hunting this state since 1969 and I have seen a lot of bad changes.

 

[Fowlweather25]

Thankyou Birdguy, that is exactly what I am trying to say. I am glad that someone understands the way things are going.  The sportsman and woman need to get more active at the game dept. meetings or phone calls or e-mails and give our voice a loader cry to try and better our sports.  Lets stick together

I'm with you smalldog, I hadn't seen the other thread before I read yours so to me it
sounded very strange at first. 

Yep, same here. My bad.

[Elkaholic daWg]

I am pissed over the polls and all it takes is some idiot group to decide to get signatures like they did on bear hunting and next thing is its on the ballot. When that happens then its up to the voters and that is how you can loose on this. The anti hunting groups sit back and watch and wait for the right time and they will act on it.  People forget that the game dept. is not funded by sportsman, its funded by the tax payer in the general fund and that is what gives the right to anybody to go get signatures and get it on the ballot.  That's very dangerous to the sportsman. The voter can take away anything they want if they get the signatures and it ends up on the battot. Do not underestimate the power of that system.  Years ago the game dept. was solely funded by the sportsman. The game dept. went bankrupt and the governor took over the game dept.  If all the sportsman clubs in this state would have united then, we could have stopped this.  At that time all the sportsman were all fighting amongst themselves instead of using their heads and we lost our control of the game dept.  I know I am rambling on this but, I have been hunting this state since 1969 and I have seen a lot of bad changes.

 

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[smalldog]

I am sorry this is so confusing, this is about another post that was taking a poll on baiting deer.  When I sat down to post this, I had everything in my head on what I was going to say and tried to put it down to read. It made sense when I read it then but, later when I read it I can understand why people was answering the way that they did.  I am sorry  for the confusion.

[Fowlweather25]

Its all good man. Makes sense now! And i totally agree with you to boot.

[gun-dog]

interesting.....

[Tom Tamer]

It's what I think the WDFW wants, divided we fall. Look at how their public input on hunting regs has changed. It used to be a open forum and discussion, now they segmented it into groupings, if you want to talk Chukar go to this guy, elk go to this guy...etc. When asked what do kind of hunter are you( bow,ML,Rifle) I say A hunter. I own them all and pick and choose each year. It baffles some guys that I don't lobby for one specific weapon. Hell if I saw you out hunting with Atatl...I'd say Go for it! United we stand gentlemen. They want us bickering back and forth.

[darren]

It's what I think the WDFW wants, divided we fall. Look at how their public input on hunting regs has changed. It used to be a open forum and discussion, now they segmented it into groupings, if you want to talk Chukar go to this guy, elk go to this guy...etc. When asked what do kind of hunter are you( bow,ML,Rifle) I say A hunter. I own them all and pick and choose each year. It baffles some guys that I don't lobby for one specific weapon. Hell if I saw you out hunting with Atatl...I'd say Go for it! United we stand gentlemen. They want us bickering back and forth.

Yeah I was reading the Anti-hunting wikipedia page and following up an argument I heard Steven Rinella make about the politics of hunting. His observation, that makes sense when you look at the broad public polling data, is that approval for hunting in general is high, but when you start drilling into specific quarry and tactics (hunting fox, hunting with dogs, trapping, etc), the polls flip to disapproval.

So a good strategy if you're in the anti-hunting camp would be to continually nip away at the edges and make each category of quarry or tactics illegal and eventually "hunting" is legal but that's such a narrow set of activities that it's meaningless or unrecognizable.

I think the way you fight that at the grass roots level is take your kids and your friends and your family hunting. I'm trying to get into hunting myself as someone in their late thirties. There are a lot of barriers, legal and social, I would say. Getting to the point where you feel in your gut that yeah this is a fair chase situation, we're meeting the animal on its terms here, has the chance of happening long after someone finds they're interested in trying hunting or learning more about it.

[smalldog]

You only have about four counties that have the majority of the votes. That is a shame because, most of those people don't really give a dam about hunting. As far as they are concerned if you buy your meat at Safeway that you are saving an animal. What they need to do is go to a slaughter house and see how things are really done. They would have a lot more respect for the hunter. I have an idea what they are teaching our kids in school and it is not what you think, if you want to suprise yourself ask what they were taught each day. I do know that if we want to keep our sport we have to educate what hunting is all about. It is every sportsmans job to educate your children and grandchildren so we can keep our sport.  The schools are trying to educate your children that hunting is killing and you are a murderer. They are trying to educate your kids against use, so they will not want to buy a weapon and hunt like their parents do.   Sportsman and I mean all sportsman, fisherman and hunters and trappers and so on need to come together so we can save our sports.  Its is in danger of serious change.  We as sportsman need to send a message to the governor and to all our representatives that we are not going to let that happen.

[grade-creek-rd]

WDFW has nothing to do with the laws...Seattle voters do...gotta go, I hear a blackhawk circling my house & a guy who looks just like Mike McGinn just rode his bicycle past my house in a tie dye shirt....I'm off to my underground bunker...in the famous words of Clark Griswold..."Later dude"

[jackelope]

Im so friggin lost right now!
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Its not Illegal to bait for deer.

It is illegal to bait for bear.

Two different animals, with different rules.

This has nothing to do with current law. This guy is concerned that deer baiting could become illegal, like bear baiting is now.

[smalldog]

That's exactly what I am talking about, four counties and Seattle is one of them. The WDFW is run by the Governor and the people that he appoints.