How the state draw works

[trophyhunt]

Talked to a wdfw person last week to clarify exactly how the draw is done here in wa.  He said, they choose by catagories, lets just say quality elk.  They put all the quality elk apps in a "hat", lets say there is 9,000 total names in the hat.  If you have 6 points, you have 36 names out of 9,000 in the draw.  The computer starts drawing out of the pool(hat) until all applications are drawn, each time a name is drawn the computer randomly assigns a random number to that app.  The random number will be 1 to 9,000 or 1 to total apps in the draw.  After everyone has a random number, they throw out all your numbers but your lowest number, what ever your lowest number is, is the order in which you will be chosen to see if any permits are available for your choices.  Seems like a decent system to me, and for me that's hard to say! 

[SkookumHntr]

What if your name and random numbers are last to be picked and all the low random numbers are already taken!? What order do the names get picked? Random too? ya right..

[trophyhunt]

What if your name and random numbers are last to be picked and all the low random numbers are already taken!? What order do the names get picked? Random too? ya right..

if your picked last, you get what ever number is left. Could be the number 1 or could be 5,456?  It's all random I hope, he also said if we have ideas to let them know.  If we came up with a better way to draw and if it was supported by the majority on this site, it might be worth letting them know.  But keep in mind it has to not take away income they are already receiving.

[lamrith]

I am new to hunting and not in on the points thing myself yet, but I guess I would be a bit disappointed using a bunch of points and not getting picked, because I got random numbered out of it.

People save up points for hopes of a better chance at getting chosen, some may wait many many years to build up points for that hunt of a lifetime.  While in theory they still have a better chance, it is pretty diluted by then being given another random number thrown in.  They throw in all their points and get chosen early, only to then get a mid/high number and be SOL anyway?  I just don't see the point to that second randomization.  In your example if there was only one permit given per year, you go from a 36in9000 chance to a 36 in 81,000,000 chance of getting that permit.  statistically that is higher odds than someone with no points, but 1:81,000,000 vs 36in 81,000,000

Is there a reason they do not do a pure 1st draw, why so complicated?  You got 36 names in for 6 points, your name gets drawn 1st, you get permit and rest of your names get pulled out of the hat, next person is drawn...  probably save wdfw a ton of time and admin $ as well that they could spend on other things?

[lamrith]

What if your name and random numbers are last to be picked and all the low random numbers are already taken!? What order do the names get picked? Random too? ya right..

if your picked last, you get what ever number is left. Could be the number 1 or could be 5,456?  It's all random I hope, he also said if we have ideas to let them know.  If we came up with a better way to draw and if it was supported by the majority on this site, it might be worth letting them know.  But keep in mind it has to not take away income they are already receiving.

Previous comment aside, thanks for filling us in on how it works currently, that is always good information to know and would explain why some people put points in and never see it pay off.

[trophyhunt]

Thanks, it certainly explains why shouldn't expect to get drawn, even with 19 points!


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[Bob33]

The person with 1 point has a chance of being drawn; the person with 19 points has a far greater chance. I have no problem with that.

[bobcat]

There's nothing wrong with the way the draw is done. It's very simple. The more points you have, the more random numbers you are assigned, and that increases your chance of getting a low number.


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[trophyhunt]

There's nothing wrong with the way the draw is done. It's very simple. The more points you have, the more random numbers you are assigned, and that increases your chance of getting a low number.


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and that really is the bottom line, it's not perfect but I'm not sure how it could be?  Unless I drew every year!!!

[chukar58]

Again folks it's all about the state collecting as much revenue from any user group as they can.  True a person with no points can get drawn and so that's like holding up a carrot for you to pay your money. 

[dye7barrel]

If you have 6 points, you have 36 names

What is the relation between number of points and number of names in the hat?

Also, thank you for sharing, good info.

[bobcat]

Your points are squared, so 6 points equals 36.


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[elkh8me]

Hasn't worked out to well for me the last 16 years however now that my Montana big combo tags have arrived that changes everything...I am sure to draw something here this year

[spikehunter]

Kinda sounds like some people have an "in" Me I have the unluckiest #  16 points and still trying

[muleyslayer]

Kinda sounds like some people have an "in" Me I have the unluckiest #  16 points and still trying

in what category do you have 16 points?