How the state draw works

[huntnphool]

The person with 1 point has a chance of being drawn; the person with 19 points has a far greater chance. I have no problem with that.

+1

[BOWHUNTER45]

What if your name and random numbers are last to be picked and all the low random numbers are already taken!? What order do the names get picked? Random too? ya right..

if your picked last, you get what ever number is left. Could be the number 1 or could be 5,456?  It's all random I hope, he also said if we have ideas to let them know.  If we came up with a better way to draw and if it was supported by the majority on this site, it might be worth letting them know.  But keep in mind it has to not take away income they are already receiving.

hahahaha  Of course we do not want to throw away their income 

[GoBeavs85]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

[idahohuntr]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

I wouldn't say any state is particularly better or worse...just different in how they allocate tags.  But I am of the opinion that Idaho has the very best point system in the world.

[Bigshooter]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

I wouldn't say any state is particularly better or worse...just different in how they allocate tags.  But I am of the opinion that Idaho has the very best point system in the world.

You mean draw system. 

[idahohuntr]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

I wouldn't say any state is particularly better or worse...just different in how they allocate tags.  But I am of the opinion that Idaho has the very best point system in the world.

You mean draw system.

Nope...I meant they have the best point system. 

[grundy53]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

I wouldn't say any state is particularly better or worse...just different in how they allocate tags.  But I am of the opinion that Idaho has the very best point system in the world.

You mean draw system.

Nope...I meant they have the best point system. 

I agree.

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[lamrith]

I recently moved from Oregon and have had a hard time understanding this. Why is this system better than Oregon? In Oregon if you have the most points for a certain hunt you are guaranteed the tag, not just given more names in the hat. With relative accuracy guys are able to calculate how many points each hunt takes to Draw. It's far easier to plan when you will actually draw. Helps with planning vacation, projects, and other family commitments. Points are extremely valuable so at the very least you always put in for a point saver(meaning revenue to the state). Still 25% of the draw is random to give that lotto feel to the have nots of the point world.

It has its challenges and Oregon is Far from perfect but I'm just not seeing the angle on why the WA system is better. Doesn't really seem to generate more revenue but maybe I'm just missing the economics.

I'm not bashing. I really want to understand.

That is what I was trying to get across with my comments.  People need to plan well in advance for some of these hunts, as they may be once in a lifetime.  Why does WA go with this complex double random routine?  Sure you get points squared, but still a second randomization, why?  It should be enough that you get drawn #1, #2, etc.
I think a Simple initial Random draw should be more than sufficient, unless they double up because the 1st draw is/can be rigged because it is manual draw?

As much as I would love my 2nd year to get drawn for one of the amazing hunts there are a few reasons I should NOT be.
#1 I am new, my skillset is not going to be equal to one of you that has been hunting since childhood.  I may or may not harvest anything (goal here is herd control right?)
#2 Being new buck fever will be strong and I may take a young healthy animal rather than the older less healthy but more wiley animal.  Younger will have more breeding life and diversity to long term herd.
#3  Some of you have been hunting for a LONG time, you have devoted your time blood and money to this states hunting and should have some reward for all those years.

[D-Rock425]

I don't understand the point in doing a double random drawing.  Seems much easier to put all the names in for a particular hunt and draw.

[fishngamereaper]

I wonder how many times Ive been the first name pulled out of the computer, only to get randomly assigned out of the drawing...... I guess I really don't want to know.

[bobcat]

What's this talk of a "double drawing?"   

The applications are assigned some random numbers. The lowest number is then used to determine the order in which that application comes up. If your number is low enough, when your application is pulled there will still be permits left for one of the hunts you listed on your application, and bingo you just drew a permit. If not, you get to keep your points and hope for better luck next year.

That entire process is the "drawing." It's ONE drawing, not two. It's all computerized, of course. Would you guys rather they do it the old fashioned way and throw all the names in a hat and draw them out one at a time?

[sakoshooter]

One reason this system is better for WA(WDFW) is because it generates revenue. More people will apply for a given hunt compared to other states systems because there's always a chance here.
One reason this system is better for WA(Hunter) is because there's always a chance.

That being said, I'd like to see the drawing run like this: All 1st choice applicants for a given hunt drawn together. If any tags are left, draw the second choice applicants for that hunt and so on.
Every year I hear about people that draw a tag for their 3rd or 4th choice that they really have no intention of using but filled in the blank on the application. Of if they do go, it's only for the weekend or whatever because they don't know the GMU.

[Bob33]

What's this talk of a "double drawing?"   

The applications are assigned some random numbers. The lowest number is then used to determine the order in which that application comes up. If your number is low enough, when your application is pulled there will still be permits left for one of the hunts you listed on your application, and bingo you just drew a permit. If not, you get to keep your points and hope for better luck next year.

That entire process is the "drawing." It's ONE drawing, not two. It's all computerized, of course. Would you guys rather they do it the old fashioned way and throw all the names in a hat and draw them out one at a time?

That's correct. If you have 10 points, you have 100 names in the hat. Only 1 of the 100 has the best chance of being drawn first, so the other 99 are irrelevant and essentially ignored. Our system works as intended.

[CavemantheHunter]

How does this number system work when you're applying as a group? Is each person in the group assigned different numbers, or is the entire group assigned one set of numbers?

[D-Rock425]

How does this number system work when you're applying as a group? Is each person in the group assigned different numbers, or is the entire group assigned one set of numbers?

I believe only the group leader will be assigned a number.