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Offline runamuk

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2014, 01:32:31 AM »
I just wanna kill something, after 5 years just something ok something legal...but there is this buck and he is a jerk so if i kill him he will be a bigger trophy than any trophy buck mostly because he is a big ol jerk  :)

I only think trophy hunting where meat is wasted is reprehensible otherwise knock yourself out kill the biggest and baddest and donate the meat to Charity or give it to your neighbors  just dont be wasteful in your quest for the biggest thingie. :)

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2014, 01:44:06 AM »
I agree and disagree with your points/his views.
Our WDFW has created the special hunts with limited draw. As stated in a previous thread, some of the antler restrictions and limited hunts were supposed to revert back after the herd stabiized but as you know, that never happened. The WDFW just got greedier and created more special hunts, multi season hunts, quality hunts, buck hunts, bull hunts, ewe hunts, ram hunts, antlerless hunts, cow hunts, any buck hunts, any whitetail hunts etc, etc. All for the love of money. 
Many sportsmen are always going to strive for a trophy(in their eyes)and pulling the trigger will always be up to them but the WDFW has created this monster that we're all living with now. If you really dislike any of it, write the WDFW and express your feelilngs to them.
They've taken what used to be a general season family/friend affair and broken it up into a million different entities separating all of us either by weapon choice, east or west side or by special app points.

It certainly seems like they prioritize revenue! I looked at numerous options for applying for moose. However, if you realize that this state has very little non-resident licenses sales and that non-resident license sales account for a good portion of revenue in other states, then you can rationalize why it costs residents more here than in other states that are getting $800 to $1000 from each non-res hunter.
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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2014, 05:26:19 AM »

Did you realize that your license dollars are also being used to buy free access onto private property for hunters?

Yes I do. I've seen my license money go to a land owner here in 121, the game Dept. posted it, patrolled it and gave the land owner permission slips to give out for people to hunt. I also have seen that same land owner give the slips only to their friends and buddies.

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2014, 06:58:28 AM »
If I bought an access pass or two I would be over $1000.   I must have selected non res when I bought my tags...

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2014, 08:44:30 AM »
I'm not a fan of trophies and the points system.  "what did it score?". I don't really care.  Like the guys who focus so much on size of fish.  But as long as you aren't wasting game ir something, it doesn't bother me.  Just not my thing.  I'm more interested in the experience.  The story.  And the "how did it taste?" type questions.  Especially if the answer is "Great, here try some!".  :tup:

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2014, 02:40:16 PM »

Did you realize that your license dollars are also being used to buy free access onto private property for hunters?

Yes I do. I've seen my license money go to a land owner here in 121, the game Dept. posted it, patrolled it and gave the land owner permission slips to give out for people to hunt. I also have seen that same land owner give the slips only to their friends and buddies.
The access program they have is better than nothing...but I have been nothing but unimpressed with how they manage that program.  I wish somebody in charge would kick every one of the regions in the @$$ and tell them private land access programs are critical to the department and they had better get in gear.  Its a joke the way they run those programs...every other state has a much better system in my opinion.  Its difficult to tell what land is enrolled, the program is abused as you described it, and multiple times I've had staff not really give good information or descriptions of land in the program...everything should be on their website!  :bash: :bash:
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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2014, 02:54:44 PM »
Had a interesting conversation with a retired game warden (over 30 years in another state) which started based upon the post having to do with APR's.  He had some interesting thoughts concerning deer hunting (since the APR post was on deer, that was the emphasis of the conversation).  He is very saddened by the new emphasis on trophy hunting and thinks that in the future it will become a real problem for hunters.  Not saying I agree with him, but here are some of his thoughts:

1) It has created a snob mentality that belittles anyone who would shoot a small buck or, God forbid, an antlerless deer.  This has discouraged many young hunters who don't have the skill or a mentor to teach them skills from getting involved involved in the sport. 
2) The demand for quality (trophy) hunts has led to much property either being set aside by states for limited draw hunts or outright leased by private individuals  to increase their odds of getting a trophy grade animal.  Many traditional family hunting areas have become off limits and many have given up hunting when they lost their traditional areas.
3) Herd management has become very difficult when hunters want the herds managed for trophy animals.  With many hunters now only targeting the biggest and best animals many herds are made up of much weaker stock and are subject to higher disease and winter kill rates.
4) Enforcement in some states has become a nightmare with a checker board of ARP units, special draw units, antlerless permit units, general permit units, and plain closed units.  Checking stations have to take the hunters word that an animal was in fact killed in the proper unit and funding for actual field checks has declined during a period when it's needed most.
5) Trophy hunting has provided  anti hunters with more propaganda as they claim hunters are not hunting for meat or proper game management, all we want to do is shoot the animal to take its head and hang it on the wall.
6) Trophy hunting has driven the cost up.  States and private individuals have taken note that many hunters are willing to pay much more for the opportunity to take a trophy and have taken prices up to meet the demand.  Additionally with hunter numbers dropping yearly, states have increased license costs to offset the volume loss.
Again, I'm not saying that I agree with these points, but it is food for thought.

 He clearly has no issue with how WDFW run things then!
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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2014, 06:04:35 AM »
Yes I do. I've seen my license money go to a land owner here in 121, the game Dept. posted it, patrolled it and gave the land owner permission slips to give out for people to hunt. I also have seen that same land owner give the slips only to their friends and buddies.

Sweet deal if you can get it, public dollars help you fund your very own private hunting grounds. Where do I sign up for that?

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2014, 09:16:44 AM »

Did you realize that your license dollars are also being used to buy free access onto private property for hunters?

Yes I do. I've seen my license money go to a land owner here in 121, the game Dept. posted it, patrolled it and gave the land owner permission slips to give out for people to hunt. I also have seen that same land owner give the slips only to their friends and buddies.

I'm sure you must know the WDFW employee who signs up these landowners, lives near your hometown. (if you don't pm me and I will give you his name, I'm sure you will know who he is), call him and tell him what's going on with the place you described. Tell him you would like to see improvements in that regard.
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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2014, 09:27:41 AM »
Same exact thing goes on near me.......and they know it and allow it............and even hunt it themselves.  Plus it blocks DNR land.  Part of the good ol boy program they dont advertise.............. :twocents:

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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2014, 12:09:28 PM »
Access programs is something we have discussed in the Recreational Task Force. I will bring up this issue.  :tup:
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Re: Is Trophy hunting detrimental to hunting.
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2014, 09:22:12 AM »
I like to hunt so I guess I am selective in what I decide to shoot. I don't consider my self a trophy hunter but if I go to Montana I won't shoot the first deer I see because I just like to be there and see the animals it has to offer and if I shoot it's over . In Washington there is not the population of deer on the west side so I am not as selective in what I harvest but I won't shoot does or spikes.  That's just me and if a new hunter wants to fill his tag that's great with me and his deer is just as much a trophy so the wording trophy hunter must just be in what a hunter feels is a trophy to him and like Rasbo said a deer smart enough to give you the slip a time or two is one I want to hunt.

 


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