Wolf caught snatching a chicken near Colville

[grundy53]

A new WDFW warden showed up and we had a little discussion about wolves and where they came from, I think he left with a few more ideas other then the BS he was told to say. 

For all of you who report wolves and wonder why WDFW has a hard time taking many of them seriously...it is because of people like wolfbait that they have to listen to rant every darn day that are clueless and full of government conspiracies.  So...if we can get the wolfbaits of the world to keep their crazy to themselves it can only help. 

I'm sure the rants and anti-wolf ranchers pissed off about wolf eating their cattle are causing WDFW to not confirm wolf kills out of pure spite,  got to be it.

Thanks for enlightening all of us.



I make sure to tell everyone when they got a wolf kill to be nicer to the WDFW employees, maybe offer them a glass of tea and tell them how thrilled they are wolves are back, maybe show them some receipts for donations to conservation northwest; maybe even offer some quality alone time with the ranchers wife - then perhaps they'll get an honest adjudication of depredation by wolf.

Boy you just nailed exactly what I said.  Good thing you are so smart.

Its got nothing to do with being nice...its all about credibility.  Go read the story of the boy who cried wolf.  you might learn something.

I've yet to meet a truly dishonest rancher, I'm sure it happens but it's not the norm. 


Let's discuss WDFW credibility.  We can make a poll if you like?

WDFW serves hunters, so what better place to make a poll than on the largest hunting forum in WA?

They used to serve hunters. But not anymore. We are about fifth in line.....

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[KFhunter]

point taken

[idahohuntr]

and if he is at one end of the spectrum, you truley are at the absolute other end of the spectrum.

Oh absolutely!  I actually hunt big game, I don't believe in secret government conspiracies about wolves, I think public land is a good thing, I think state based management of wildlife is a good thing, I support the North American Model of Wildlife Management and I think guys like Randy Newberg are model sportsmen compared to the cronies at outfits like big game forever and SFW. 

better hurry up and get your vote in,  might make WDFW look good for a minute or two

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,153477.0/viewresults.html

I have no interest in making wdfw look good or bad.  I call a spade a spade.  The topic was about people reporting wolves and wondering why some experienced wdfw brushing them off.  I believe it is a combination of poor communication and being barraged with tons of non-credible information...particularly non-credible information supplied by people who continually make outrageous and unsubstantiated claims about WDFW staff.

have fun with your little poll...I'm sure it will solve the problems raised in this topic. 

[jasnt]

It may just be that wolfbait is over towards one end of the spectrum, however his account of events is closer to real than yours, Ida..........and if he is at one end of the spectrum, you truley are at the absolute other end of the spectrum. 

I 2nd that
I was skeptical of alot of wolfbaits posts. But sofar he has been spot on!  Seems that the closer your words are to truth the more people think your nuts.

In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
George Orwell

[KFhunter]

fast forward 10-15 years.....


Who will be vindicated?  Wolfbait or Idahohunter?



OH another Poll idea!

[Special T]

Yep!

When they arrive in the Skagit Valley and clean out what little game we have here all the farms here will need cyclone cemented in fences to keep them off our livestock.

They are already here. I saw 4 2 miles outside of Sedro woolley  and then moments later a coyote for comparison. 10 years ago. There was several pics posted on here of a pack of wolves on a gravel bar some where in the valley, I think it was posted by WABowhuntr a few years ago. I have been told by Loggers that they are seenN of the skagit to the nooksack on a semi regular basis.


BigTex is right that many people (in general) do not know what they are looking at, I would be inclined to agree with him. There is a few very large BUTs... This is in area with known wolf packs, by people that generally should have a better idea, AND the responces from the agents is too similar and too dismissive.

Why would a Agent want to give a paring slap to the face with those "I bet you saw a X" statements instead of just investigating it.

[idahohuntr]

fast forward 10-15 years.....


Who will be vindicated?  Wolfbait or Idahohunter?



OH another Poll idea!

Every time I think you can't possibly come up with a dumber post...

[KFhunter]

fast forward 10-15 years.....


Who will be vindicated?  Wolfbait or Idahohunter?



OH another Poll idea!

Every time I think you can't possibly come up with a dumber post...

looks like someone's worried 

[iusmc2002]

I saw a wolf standing next to a pond, right off Artman-Gibson Rd.  We were on our way home during this last winter, about 1400-1430 and it was standing next to the water.  I thought I was seeing *censored*, so I stopped and backed up.  Both the wife and I looked at it, and it was definitely a wolf! 

I've seen coyotes in that field prior to that.  Since then, I haven't seen any more coyotes there, nor have I seen any of the Canadian geese that were frequently there.  I've seen a couple ducks in the pond right on the other side of the road, but no living creatures in the pond on the west side of the road  There were also cows in that field during last summer, and most of the winter.  Haven't seen any cows there in a while.  I don't think the wolf/wolves killed all the cattle, that's not what I'm saying.  But now that I think about it, I wonder if the lack of cows is because of the wolves around there? 

[AspenBud]

fast forward 10-15 years.....


Who will be vindicated?  Wolfbait or Idahohunter?



OH another Poll idea!

Every time I think you can't possibly come up with a dumber post...

looks like someone's worried 

You're both kind of yelling into an echo chamber. It's almost always the same people who post here with the same opinions and comments.

If you want to gain traction you need to convince more than like minded people on H-W.

[bearpaw]

I saw a wolf standing next to a pond, right off Artman-Gibson Rd.  We were on our way home during this last winter, about 1400-1430 and it was standing next to the water.  I thought I was seeing *censored*, so I stopped and backed up.  Both the wife and I looked at it, and it was definitely a wolf! 

I've seen coyotes in that field prior to that.  Since then, I haven't seen any more coyotes there, nor have I seen any of the Canadian geese that were frequently there.  I've seen a couple ducks in the pond right on the other side of the road, but no living creatures in the pond on the west side of the road  There were also cows in that field during last summer, and most of the winter.  Haven't seen any cows there in a while.  I don't think the wolf/wolves killed all the cattle, that's not what I'm saying.  But now that I think about it, I wonder if the lack of cows is because of the wolves around there?

I know exactly where you are describing. That's only about a mile from the two ranches who have been seeing the wolves and a mile from the other place where the wolf grabbed the chicken.

What color was the wolf you saw?

[iusmc2002]

I saw a wolf standing next to a pond, right off Artman-Gibson Rd.  We were on our way home during this last winter, about 1400-1430 and it was standing next to the water.  I thought I was seeing *censored*, so I stopped and backed up.  Both the wife and I looked at it, and it was definitely a wolf! 

I've seen coyotes in that field prior to that.  Since then, I haven't seen any more coyotes there, nor have I seen any of the Canadian geese that were frequently there.  I've seen a couple ducks in the pond right on the other side of the road, but no living creatures in the pond on the west side of the road  There were also cows in that field during last summer, and most of the winter.  Haven't seen any cows there in a while.  I don't think the wolf/wolves killed all the cattle, that's not what I'm saying.  But now that I think about it, I wonder if the lack of cows is because of the wolves around there?

I know exactly where you are describing. That's only about a mile from the two ranches who have been seeing the wolves and a mile from the other place where the wolf grabbed the chicken.

What color was the wolf you saw?

I thought you'd know it 

It was black with some gray on it.  If WDFW thinks the canines in that area are coyotes, those are some BIG coyotes!!  The three coyotes we had in the yard with our dog a couple days ago were less than half the size of that big, black SOB

[CAMPMEAT]

A new WDFW warden showed up and we had a little discussion about wolves and where they came from, I think he left with a few more ideas other then the BS he was told to say. 

For all of you who report wolves and wonder why WDFW has a hard time taking many of them seriously...it is because of people like wolfbait that they have to listen to rant every darn day that are clueless and full of government conspiracies.  So...if we can get the wolfbaits of the world to keep their crazy to themselves it can only help. 

I know wolfbait personally and believe him more that your liberal rearend. Guys like you don't want to believe the truth for your own agenda........typical !

[bigtex]

If it went to federal court in Spokane County hard to say what would happen, but I think it's a state issue in Stevens County due to the delisting of eastern WA. If it went to court in Stevens County we all know what the court results will likely be. Too many residents have been told "it's only coyotes" to get a conviction of wrong doing on that here in my opinion. 

Although wolves in Stevens County are no longer listed under the ESA a potential federal case could happen. If you shot a wolf on federal lands it could go to federal court, if you shot a wolf on non-federal lands but then transported it across federal lands (say shot it in your buddy's pasture and you have to get to USFS lands to get home) you could be charged under the Lacey Act in federal court, or of course if you transported the dead wolf across the state/international border.

Now as far as the court in Stevens County. Under state law if a county prosecutor fails to act then the WDFW Commission can request the Attorney General's Office essentially step in and prosecute the case. This is very rare, but you can imagine it wouldn't be that unfeasible for a case involving a state endangered species.

[bigtex]

A new WDFW warden showed up and we had a little discussion about wolves and where they came from, I think he left with a few more ideas other then the BS he was told to say. 

For all of you who report wolves and wonder why WDFW has a hard time taking many of them seriously...it is because of people like wolfbait that they have to listen to rant every darn day that are clueless and full of government conspiracies.  So...if we can get the wolfbaits of the world to keep their crazy to themselves it can only help. 

I know wolfbait personally and believe him more that your liberal rearend. Guys like you don't want to believe the truth for your own agenda........typical !

I'm not attacking any one person. But unfortunately, idahohuntr has a point. The more people rant and rave every time and blah blah, you get written off as the crazy guy, and people stop listening to you. At times it can be very hard to be calm, but if you blow up and make yourself look like the pissed off guy, you will basically lose any type of reputation/respect from whatever agency you deal with.

You'd be hard pressed to find any government department (anything from the local sewer district to FBI) who knows when certain people call it's going to be a rant and rave and your going to hang up your phone and do nothing regarding what they were saying, every department has "those people."