Initiatives 594 and 591

[Hi-Liter]

The NRA needs to get their head out of their..... and start focusing more on state initiatives along with federal anti-gun issues. I would donate money if they would help more in localized and state issues like this. This is the new anti-gun wave to attack at of a more "local" level. Maybe I am wrong but it seems that this initiative will win. I have not saw one commercial against this initiative 594.

In defense of the NRA:

The NRA is a leader in the battle against I-594.





Brian Judy – Washington State liaison for the NRA has been fighting against I-594 on our behalf. 

Watch the video:
Senate Law & Justice Committee; Public: SI 591, SI 594; Wednesday January 29th 2014, 1:30PM
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2014010154#start=729&stop=1043

Watch the video:
Thursday June 26th 2014, 1:00PM
The Seattle Times Editorial Board interviews proponents and opponents of Initiative 594 (concerns background checks for firearm sales and transfers).
http://www.tvw.org/index.php?option=com_tvwplayer&eventID=2014060083


NRA-ILA Field Representatives are in Washington
 
Keely Hopkins
Keely@NRAILAFrontlines.com
(541) 910-3395
Mill Creek, WA   

Adina Hicks
Adina@NRAILAFrontlines.com
(425) 351-4088
Lakewood, WA

The NRA has set up a special website to inform people about I-594:

VOTE NO Initiative 594
https://www.voteno594.com/


The NRA sends out many ALERTS:

Many of the ALERTs they send out have actions and articles related to fighting against I-594.
If you are not already signed up for their ALERTS, please consider signing up.
https://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/secure/stay-informed.aspx

Washington measure to increase gun background checks bleeds support
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/10/washington-measure-to-increase-gun-background-checks-bleeds-support.aspx

NRA donates $150K more in fight against I-594
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/10/washington-nra-donates-$150k-more-in-fight-against-i-594.aspxl

I-594 Unenforceable
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/10/i-594-unenforceable.aspx

Washington: Washington State Republican Party Opposes Anti-Gun Initiative 594
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/10/washington-washington-state-republican-party-opposes-anti-gun-initiative-594.aspx

Attention Washington Second Amendment Supporters: You Need to Know Why It's Critical to Vote No on Initiative 594 (Watch the video)
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/10/washington-attention-washington-second-amendment-supporters.aspx

Washington Gun Control Ballot Measure Would Criminalize Common Common Firing Range Occurrence
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/9/washington-gun-control-ballot-measure-would-criminalize-common-common-firing-range-occurance.aspx

Washington: Voters in the Evergreen State are Urged to Visit VoteNo594.com
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2014/9/washington-voters-in-the-evergreen-state-are-urged-to-visit-voteno594.aspx

Washington: Money starts to flow in for gun initiatives
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2014/8/washington-money-starts-to-flow-in-for-gun-initiatives.aspx

I understand the NRA's position, I am an NRA member. However, the NRA needs to put the money in TV advertisement against 594. 594 is deceptive and the ads for it (on TV) are confusing because people believe imo that what is on TV is the truth, therefore it must be right. Just look at the new commercial where the little girl is crying about her convicted DV dad killed or hurt her mom and this initiative if passed would limit his access to firearms. I would like to see some support against it on TV. I think that there has been some comments on here where members of NRA or hunt wa have written to NRA and it seems that yes NRA is in the fight but limiting resources to oppose it, because NRA is focused at the national level. It is really too bad that some big name people against it would come out and dump some money into the campaign to help the fight. I have told at least 10 people that I know to vote NO and they agree.

VOTE NO 594.

[huntrights]

Thanks for spreading the word to

VOTE NO on I-594

This is a grassroots effort folks.  The NRA doesn't have billions like Bloomberg and the other billionaires that are trying to buy this election.  Hopefully the voters will realize the billionaires are using their money to mislead them with lies and propaganda.

Keep spreading the word.

[rim_runner]

Just heard on the radio that a majority of gun owners polled support 594, I don't remember the percentage.

They didn't mention whether they read it or not, that's the problem with buying elections these days.  You put out what message you want people to hear and they take your word for it.

if it's the claim that 54% of gun owners support I-594 it could be from a poll that asked 500 people. In that poll 1/3 of the people said they were gun owners. Of that 1/3 a little over half said they approve of I-594 so that's roughly 85 people.

[sakoshooter]

I'm scared cuz I think 594 is gonna pass. I DO NOT want it to but it's being sold as a "good' thing and most folks are not in the know so they're buying into it hook, line and sinker.
591 competing against 594 is a bad strategy in my opinion. It's simply confusing to most folks. I'd sonner see us spend money on "No on 594" vs "Yes on 591".
594 needs to be defeated, not confused by 591. What I see is many folks voting for 594 because they don't fully understand it and think it's basically good and a few folks voting for and against 591. Either way my gut tells me 594 is going to pass.
I contacted the NRA asking for help but I think they're going about all wrong also and it's going to be too late very soon to change strategies.

[JJD]

I would like to remind people that this state currently keeps a pistol registry for all Pistols bought at a dealer.

I know this has been in existance for some time, do you know about what year this started?

[Special T]

RCW 9.41.129
Recordkeeping requirements.

The department of licensing may keep copies or records of applications for concealed pistol licenses provided for in RCW 9.41.070, copies or records of applications for alien firearm licenses, copies or records of applications to purchase pistols provided for in RCW 9.41.090, and copies or records of pistol transfers provided for in RCW 9.41.110. The copies and records shall not be disclosed except as provided in RCW 42.56.240(4).

[2005 c 274 § 203; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 417.]

RCW 9.41.110
Dealer's licenses, by whom granted, conditions, fees — Employees, fingerprinting and background checks — Wholesale sales excepted — Permits prohibited.
 (9)(a) A true record in triplicate shall be made of every pistol sold, in a book kept for the purpose, the form of which may be prescribed by the director of licensing and shall be personally signed by the purchaser and by the person effecting the sale, each in the presence of the other, and shall contain the date of sale, the caliber, make, model and manufacturer's number of the weapon, the name, address, occupation, and place of birth of the purchaser and a statement signed by the purchaser that he or she is not ineligible under RCW 9.41.040 to possess a firearm.

     (b) One copy shall within six hours be sent by certified mail to the chief of police of the municipality or the sheriff of the county of which the purchaser is a resident; the duplicate the dealer shall within seven days send to the director of licensing; the triplicate the dealer shall retain for six years.

[Special T]

Im guessing from the dates on the RCW that this happened in 1994ish.

[Stein]

I would like to remind people that this state currently keeps a pistol registry for all Pistols bought at a dealer.

I know this has been in existance for some time, do you know about what year this started?

Sometime before 1998.

[Bob33]

I'm scared cuz I think 594 is gonna pass. I DO NOT want it to but it's being sold as a "good' thing and most folks are not in the know so they're buying into it hook, line and sinker.
591 competing against 594 is a bad strategy in my opinion. It's simply confusing to most folks. I'd sonner see us spend money on "No on 594" vs "Yes on 591".
594 needs to be defeated, not confused by 591. What I see is many folks voting for 594 because they don't fully understand it and think it's basically good and a few folks voting for and against 591. Either way my gut tells me 594 is going to pass.
I contacted the NRA asking for help but I think they're going about all wrong also and it's going to be too late very soon to change strategies.

594 will pass. The only hope is that 591 will also.

[blackdog]

24 Sheriffs now oppose I-594. Who on here can help get the Mason County Sheriff on board with the opposition to 594? How about Kittitas County also?

[blackdog]

Also the Clark County Sheriff is not joining the opposition to 594.

[huntrights]

Washington Sheriff's Association
http://www.washeriffs.org/counties.htm

Mason County
Sheriff Casey Salisbury
http://www.washeriffs.org/so_mason.htm
Email: caseys@co.mason.wa.us
Note: the original email was not valid, this is the new one.

Kittitas County
Sheriff Gene Dana
http://www.washeriffs.org/so_kittitas.htm
Email: gene.dana@co.kittitas.wa.us

Clark County
Sheriff Garry E. Lucas
http://www.washeriffs.org/so_clark.htm
Email: sheriff@clark.wa.gov


Please respectfully ask them to publicly state their opposition to I-594.  All of the reasons have been listed multiple times.  I-594 is unenforceable, it only burdens law-abiding citizens, it does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining firearms or keep them from committing their malevolent acts, the law is so broadly written that law-abiding citizens will be caught in the net of breaking the I-594 law (i.e. simply loaning a gun to a friend while target shooting on public land), etc.  They should oppose I-594 because it will create a BAD law; they should know this.

Please take a few minutes of your time to write these County Sheriffs.

Thank you.

[pianoman9701]

Also the Clark County Sheriff is not joining the opposition to 594.

I thought he had. I wrote to him last week and haven't received a response. Not running for re-election, so he probably doesn't want the drama.

[JJD]

Im guessing from the dates on the RCW that this happened in 1994ish.

Figured about mid 90's,  I believe it was sometime in the late 90's that one of my neighbors had the then county sheriff (and friend) print out a copy of what the state had on record that he owned.
Some of the firearms listed, he did not own and never did own.  He testified before a committee in Olympia regarding the issue.
Firearm registration is alive and well in WA state.

[Stein]

Say you bought a gun at an FFL and then end up selling it to a guy today.  The gun is then used in a crime and the police come knocking at the last known owner (you).  Between your selling and the knock, I594 passes.

Say the police and prosecutor decide to charge you for an unlawful transfer.  Would you have to prove when you sold it or would the prosecutor?  With whom does the burden of proof lie?

I'm guessing I am not alone not having any records or even recollection of when I sold some of my guns.