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Re: Legal question
« Reply #180 on: July 24, 2014, 06:54:00 AM »
Not sure why my post came up 8 times.
It just has to do with the running slow and acting funny. 
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #181 on: July 24, 2014, 07:46:35 AM »
Why on earth would you shoot something just to leave it?  That makes no sense to me.  My family owns land and coyotes are really not a problem (generally speaking).  When they ARE a problem, I take care of it the way I see fit to accommodate my livestock and poultry. 

If I saw someone shooting ANYTHING on our property, I would do everything possible to make sure he suffered the consequences.  If there isn't a hunting law, surely the police will get him for littering as he just left waste on my property.

Oh, and we do allow hunting on our property for the most part - we just ask that people ask permission LIKE YOU SHOULD.

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #182 on: July 24, 2014, 08:18:51 AM »
Why on earth would you shoot something just to leave it?  That makes no sense to me.

Because it is a damned coyote.  They are fawn eaters.  Their population has increased and need knocked down a bit.  The only good coyote is a dead coyote.  Shoot a yote, save a fawn.  :tup:

When wolves become legal in this state I'll shoot them and leave them too, except their fur will probably be worth some money.
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #183 on: July 24, 2014, 10:44:53 AM »
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Why on earth would you shoot something just to leave it? 

People doing anything on private property without permission need dealt with.  But...to answer your question.  Many folks see a coyote the same as a pigeon, rat, mouse, starling etc and treat them the same way.
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #184 on: July 24, 2014, 10:48:02 AM »
Yeah that's just dumb. 

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #185 on: July 24, 2014, 10:50:08 AM »
Dumb is your opinion (of shooting a yote and leaving it when legal to do so). The person conducting themselves in a perfectly legal manner is just fine.

What is it these days with people assuming they know what is right/wrong for the next person. Legal is legal.

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #186 on: July 24, 2014, 10:52:13 AM »
Shooting an animal on someone else's land because you think it's a problem when they may not have a problem with it is dumb.

Yep - that's my opinion. 

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #187 on: July 24, 2014, 10:56:17 AM »
Doing nearly anything on someone else's private property without permission is dumb and should be dealt with to the fullest extent.

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #188 on: July 24, 2014, 10:56:43 AM »
Ah, I'm sorry. I was under the impression you were speaking in general about leaving a yote for the birds. I agree 100% regarding private property. My mistake.

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #189 on: July 24, 2014, 11:04:02 AM »
It is not legal to shoot onto private property without permission, regardless if you haven't entered the private land. This would likely lead you to an Unlawful discharge of a firearm (charge) and possible malicious mischief of striking the private property and trespassing for shooting onto someone else's property w/o permission RCW 9.  Also as other threads point out it would be a waste of game violation if you kill it and leave it.


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Re: Legal question
« Reply #190 on: July 24, 2014, 11:16:24 AM »
It is not legal to shoot onto private property without permission, regardless if you haven't entered the private land. This would likely lead you to an Unlawful discharge of a firearm (charge) and possible malicious mischief of striking the private property and trespassing for shooting onto someone else's property w/o permission RCW 9.  Also as other threads point out it would be a waste of game violation if you kill it and leave it.

I think it is this thread that points out the waste of wildlife law (not game though since a coyote is unclassified wildlife).  :twocents:
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #191 on: July 24, 2014, 11:20:03 AM »
Ah, I'm sorry. I was under the impression you were speaking in general about leaving a yote for the birds. I agree 100% regarding private property. My mistake.

I thought he was talking speaking in general about leaving a yote......  :dunno:


And, just to be clear, I also agree that it isn't a good idea to shoot without permission........that is why I didn't.  I just wanted to find out where in the law it would not be legal to shoot the yote..........I that part has been answered as well.  :twocents:
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #192 on: July 24, 2014, 11:45:49 AM »
It is not legal to shoot onto private property without permission, regardless if you haven't entered the private land. This would likely lead you to an Unlawful discharge of a firearm (charge) and possible malicious mischief of striking the private property and trespassing for shooting onto someone else's property w/o permission RCW 9.  Also as other threads point out it would be a waste of game violation if you kill it and leave it.

I think it is this thread that points out the waste of wildlife law (not game though since a coyote is unclassified wildlife).  :twocents:

It also depends on the what mood the prosecutor is in to charge you with waste of game violation if it reckless probably, if you shoot more than one and leave it probably doesn't matter what species but the conduct that it was committed in. It just depends

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Re: Legal question
« Reply #193 on: July 24, 2014, 12:02:40 PM »

This is so confusing.

What is the current law?  Here is the law as amended by 204 c 48:

  (c) Wasting wildlife: ((Killing,)) Taking((,)) or possessing wildlife ((that is not)) classified as ((big)) game birds and ((has)) having a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and recklessly allowing the ((wildlife)) game birds to be wasted.
It was amended twice in 2014. Scroll down to see the "Infractions (as amended by 2014 c 202.)"

"Reviser's note: RCW 77.15.160 was amended twice during the 2014 legislative session, each without reference to the other. For rule of construction concerning sections amended more than once during the same legislative session, see RCW 1.12.025."

Now I am confused. So exactly what is the law?

So, Bob33 or anybody else that knows this stuff, is the latest revision 2014 C 202 ?

Shown here: "(c) Wasting wildlife: Killing, taking, or possessing wildlife that is not classified as big game and has a value of less than two hundred fifty dollars, and allowing the wildlife to be wasted."

If so, then it is against the law to waste a coyote, crow, nutria, or mole, or whatever.......basically any living thing.  (But if you bring it home and throw it in the garbage you can avoid getting caught). ;)
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Re: Legal question
« Reply #194 on: July 24, 2014, 01:27:23 PM »
Montana actually seems to be much more strict with some of their hunting laws. In this scenario, it would be illegal in Montana because shooting from roads is illegal, in Washington it's only illegal if done negligently.

In this case, my guess is the bullet would be cited for trespassing.  :chuckle:
I think you could be cited for negligently shooting from the road.

Negligence (Lat. negligentia, from neglegere, to neglect, literally "not to pick up something") is a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances. The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by carelessness, not intentional harm.

 


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