New muzzleloader, what should i get

[anglinarcher]

don't post often but i drew a muzzleloader mule deer tag for kansas
So I'm looking at getting a better muzzleloader, i currently have cheapo a cva buckhorn

kansas regulations Read below
 "MUZZLELOADERS
Muzzleloading rifles, pistols or muskets that can be loaded only through the front of the firing chamber with separate components and that fire a bullet of .40 inches diameter or larger. Only hard-cast solid lead, conical lead, or saboted bullets may be used with muzzleloading rifles, pistols and muskets. Handguns may be possessed during big game muzzleloader only seasons but may not be used to take big game unless they are muzzleloading handguns."

So I'm going to put a good scope on it and would like to shoot far out if needed be

when i do buy a new muzzleloader i would like to get something that would be able to be changed and make legal here in washington as well
open sights "percussion caps that fit on the nipple and are exposed to the weather"

So what would you guys recommend i get and what loads have worked for you guys?
i grew up bowhunting so this is all pretty new to me
thanks,
Jeff

[jackelope]

What's your budget?

Buy a Knight Disc Extreme then buy the western kit for it to make it NW Legal.

[Mfowl]

do you like your CVA? They now make the CVA Accura in a NW legal model. Its a break action ML which I find to be a little more user friendly. The Knight Disc Extreme would be a good option as well. Both are in the upper price range for ML's.

[MuleDeerCrazy]

I bought a Knight .52 cal. last year and it is a sweet, long-range shooting outfit.  It's rocking 375 grain Red Hots right around 2,000 fps, w/ 145 grains of Blackhorn 209 powder.  I was shooting 3 inches high at 100 yards, 5 inches low at 200 yards, and about 18 inches low at 300 yards.  People will argue there's not enough difference between the .50 cal. and the .52 cal. to warrant buying one, but run the ballistics, the .52 cal. is pushing similar velocities, but the bullet is 60%-70% heavier... the downrange energy isn't even in the same ballpark - way more horsepower!

They have a long range version that might even be set up better for long-ranged, scoped shooting?

Whichever way you go, good luck.  It's always fun to play around with a new toy!

[superdown]

Knight bighorn is what i have. accurate, lite and easy to clean. I haven't found any load it wont shoot accurately.

[Sabotloader]

anglinarcher

I would suggest to you that the Knight DISC rifles, either the Extreme, Mountaineer, or the Ultra-Lite, are the most versatile rifle on the market.

With the rifles listed above you can be legal in any state you choose to hunt.  What's more you can load just about any projectile you choose to load and have great accuracy.  The Disc series can utilize three different ignition systems, FPJ (full plastic jackets with 209 primers) NFPJ (non plastic jacket - or bare 209's) and Percussion caps both #11 or Musket cap.

These are all stainless ML's with a variety of stock options.

Since you will probably hunt in your home state most I would suggest getting a Western Edition and add the option of getting a different bolt housing and breech plug for other states or rifle hunting in your home state, if you were to choose to do that.

This is a Ultra-Lite set up for Western Hunting



Here it is set up for regular rifle hunting using a bare primer ignition system



Hope some of this helps...

[anglinarcher]

thanks for all the replies

im not really sure about budget, i don't want to spend anything crazy ( i just bought new tires for my truck) but i do plan on hunting Kansas for many years to come so i want to get something i will enjoy and not wish i should of spent the extra X amount and got something better

I got the cva buckhorn as a beginner rifle for washington never really shot it past 75 yards

Well heres the deal, my buddy has a austin & halleck so that is what I'm trying to work up a load for right now, i just ordered a parker ballistic extreme 275 & 300's to see what shoots better,
i plan on using 209 primers and i already have some winchester 209s so i hope those will work
as far as powder i was told that blackthorn 209 is a good powder and to use between 100-115 grains, but powder is a pain to find right now

so my thoughts are we will have one gun if it shoots good and then i was going to get one as well so we each have a gun

i will for sure look into the knight disc rifles they look slick

[superdown]

209's are not legal for Washington only percussion and musket cap

[Jburke]

209's are not legal for Washington only percussion and musket cap

Correct, but he is intending on hunting Kansas with it.  If not intending to use it here also I wouldn't worry about buying something that is legal here.  Plus there are quite a few Muzzleloaders that you can buy the western kits for later on to make it legal here.

[superdown]

209's are not legal for Washington only percussion and musket cap

Correct, but he is intending on hunting Kansas with it.  If not intending to use it here also I wouldn't worry about buying something that is legal here.  Plus there are quite a few Muzzleloaders that you can buy the western kits for later on to make it legal here.

Wow i guess my reading skills were lacking 

[Jburke]

209's are not legal for Washington only percussion and musket cap

Correct, but he is intending on hunting Kansas with it.  If not intending to use it here also I wouldn't worry about buying something that is legal here.  Plus there are quite a few Muzzleloaders that you can buy the western kits for later on to make it legal here.

Wow i guess my reading skills were lacking 

Happens to the best of us.

[RG]

Go with the spirit of the sport and get a traditional gun. They shoot as well as plastic anyway.  (Personal opinion obviously). My flintlock has killed 3 elk and a bunch of deer , they taste better seasoned with charcoal powder anyway.

[oneshot12]

    :dunno you may want to look around and  see what is most available in caliber you want to shoot before you get one   54 cal stuff is getting harder to come by in most sporting stores   . 50 cal is pretty easy to get  and so is 45 cal  stuff   some places do have a hard time getting and keeping #11 caps  so have a good look around to be on the safe side or know places you can get the supplies you may need or want .

[RG]

    :dunno you may want to look around and  see what is most available in caliber you want to shoot before you get one   54 cal stuff is getting harder to come by in most sporting stores   . 50 cal is pretty easy to get  and so is 45 cal  stuff   some places do have a hard time getting and keeping #11 caps  so have a good look around to be on the safe side or know places you can get the supplies you may need or want .

I like your avatar.

[et1702]

Go with the spirit of the sport and get a traditional gun. They shoot as well as plastic anyway.  (Personal opinion obviously). My flintlock has killed 3 elk and a bunch of deer , they taste better seasoned with charcoal powder anyway.

Or make your own Old-time in-line.  In-lines have been around since the mid 1800's (i.e., Underhammer rifles).  I've been slowly building a 50cal w/modern twist barrel 1:28.  Plus, I've recently purchased a 62cal barrel w/Forsyth rifling; 1:96 twist rate.  Nothing like whacking one w/a ML you built yourself!

ET

[Bob33]

Seems like CVA and Knight are the favorite "best" muzzleloaders.

Anyone ever used a CVA Accura V2? This person likes them better than Knight.

https://worldhuntingclub.com/Forum-View.php?id=482

[Mfowl]

Seems like CVA and Knight are the favorite "best" muzzleloaders.

Anyone ever used a CVA Accura V2? This person likes them better than Knight.

https://worldhuntingclub.com/Forum-View.php?id=482

If I were gonna buy a new ML, I would shop that gun first. But I'm partial to a break action ML. 

[d.winsor]

If you were to buy an Accura V2 you have a number of days to shoot it and test your group.  If it is not the best shooting gun you ever shot CVA will refund your money.  Also it is very user friendly, one thing is if you intend to shoot bh209 you will have to by a breech plug for it.  I hear the knight is a shooter but harder to clean and tighter to load the projectile.  Don't know that from first hand experience just what I have heard.  I do own an Accura V2 and love it, it is also a shooter.

[Bob33]

If you were to buy an Accura V2 you have a number of days to shoot it and test your group.  If it is not the best shooting gun you ever shot CVA will refund your money.  Also it is very user friendly, one thing is if you intend to shoot bh209 you will have to by a breech plug for it.  I hear the knight is a shooter but harder to clean and tighter to load the projectile.  Don't know that from first hand experience just what I have heard.  I do own an Accura V2 and love it, it is also a shooter.

Thank you very much. I need to buy a muzzleloader and want to make a wise choice. I assume that the Accura can be made Washington legal?

[d.winsor]

Yes it is, her is a link for you,     http://muzzle-loaders.com/blog/cva-accura-nitride-northwest-legal-model-pr3123sn/

With the Number #11 ignition system you could not use BH209, I don't know what the washington regulations are, but you probably could not use it anyway.

One other thing I want to tell you is CVA makes about 3 models that are the northwest-legal-models.  On the lower cost models I am not sure if the guarantee to be the best shooting gun you ever shot applies.  If you don't buy the accura V2 I would check with CVA before buying one of the lower cost models.