The “Naturally Migrating” GI Wolves

[idahohuntr]

Settle down wolfy...I just tossed out a half-dozen topics that if you were to discuss there might be something useful to consider...lately its just been absurd conspiracy thats not true and you know it.  You lie more than any government agency...by a long-shot.  I think we should set a timeline when all of your evidence will be reported and everyone will know wolves were planted...otherwise you have to move on to a new conspiracy   

That's the cool thing about this evidence, time really doesn't matter anymore. By the time WDFW are finally forced to delist WA will be mostly wolf country.

We watch your falling down and now the name calling starts, are you going to stick with that one or jump around again?

Wolfy, It's OK you don't have any evidence.  Just admit it and move on to something useful.

If you and WC think we don't have any evidence, what is the problem? Trot along junior, go defend the wolves over at DoW. Cheers

The problem is you don't have any evidence yet you continue to lie and spread misinformation that makes hunters look bad and stupid. Are you really going to sit here and try to tell people that you have this mountain of evidence but you're just sitting on it because you don't want to share it with anybody yet you will post in numerous forums and other places all of your wild conspiracy?

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[wolfbait]

You are the only one with a different story.  The wolves in the Methow came here from Canada, the wolves in NE came over from Glacier then up from central ID.  There is evidence (real evidence) of those dispersals. 

Again, you have nothing to base your claims on.  We didn't have to get too creative and "discuss our arguments"...  our argument is based on factual, defendable, evidence.  Yours is based on a few "friend of a friend eyewitness accounts". 

Fitkin is not the one in the valley that is over zealous.

"The wolves in the Methow came here from Canada, the wolves in NE came over from Glacier then up from central ID."

Theres a small problem with your factual, defendable evidence  WC, the wolves in the NE didn't exist on paper in 2008. I'm sure they were planted before 2008, but I don't think it's wise on your part to let that bit of info out of the bag.

Will WDFW switch from migrating wolves to dispersals, now, did you get permission?

Rural folks all over WA have caught WDFW releasing wolves, I don't think WDFW really care what they have been caught at, they know they can lie, or threaten people to get out of any trouble. People that have to deal with wolves shoved on them don't count, it's the fans that control the vote that count, at the same time it sure isn't going to look too shiny when it comes out how WA really got most of it's wolves. And it is going too come out.

Tell me more about this conspiracy in NE Washington.  I'm eager to hear what you can come up with, as I've had my finger on the pulse of wolf activity up this way for quite a while.

"U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Northern Rocky Mountain Recovery Program Update
2008
Until 2008, no wild wolves had been confirmed west of the DPS boundary in Washington or Oregon. However, in July 2008, a wolf pack (2 adults and 6 pups) was discovered near Twisp, WA (just east of the North Cascades and west of the DPS boundary). Genetic testing showed these wolves did not originate from the NRM DPS; instead they apparently dispersed southward from the wolf population in southcentral British Columbia. Both adults were radio-collared and the pack is being monitored via radio telemetry by Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. If this pack persists it will remain separated and distinct from the NRM DPS by the large expanse of unsuitable wolf habitat in eastern WA and OR.
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt08/FINAL_2008_USFWS_Recovery_Program_Update_3-17-09.pdf

DNA samples confirm gray wolves are back in Methow Valley By Joyce Campbell
Methow Valley News
July 24, 2008
DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.
“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.”http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-clips/dna-samples-confirm-gray-wolves-are-back-in-methow-valley
Is there a difference between “southcentral British Columbia” and “northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada”?
Perhaps the USFWS and WDFW should have gotten their story straight as to where they were going to say the wolves came from? I guess they couldn’t say, we hauled them in from Idaho with horse trailers, it just wouldn’t fit the narrative of: (“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.” )"

"The wolves in the Methow came here from Canada, the wolves in NE came over from Glacier then up from central ID."

Sure you have, tell us more inside secrets. Where will the next wolf pack "migrate" from?

[wolfbait]

Settle down wolfy...I just tossed out a half-dozen topics that if you were to discuss there might be something useful to consider...lately its just been absurd conspiracy thats not true and you know it.  You lie more than any government agency...by a long-shot.  I think we should set a timeline when all of your evidence will be reported and everyone will know wolves were planted...otherwise you have to move on to a new conspiracy   

That's the cool thing about this evidence, time really doesn't matter anymore. By the time WDFW are finally forced to delist WA will be mostly wolf country.

We watch your falling down and now the name calling starts, are you going to stick with that one or jump around again?

Wolfy, It's OK you don't have any evidence.  Just admit it and move on to something useful.

If you and WC think we don't have any evidence, what is the problem? Trot along junior, go defend the wolves over at DoW. Cheers

The problem is you don't have any evidence yet you continue to lie and spread misinformation that makes hunters look bad and stupid. Are you really going to sit here and try to tell people that you have this mountain of evidence but you're just sitting on it because you don't want to share it with anybody yet you will post in numerous forums and other places all of your wild conspiracy?

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I don't think it makes hunters look bad, after all according to you and WC I'm not a real hunter, as far as stupid, the pro-wolf crowd has that herd bought up.

I think the knowledge that the truth on how most of the wolves ended up in WA might have a few people in the USFWS and WDFW worried, but at this point they just have to hang and rattle waiting for the day the info is released. I don't have anything to do with that anymore, as I already tried. Now it will be done by folks who know all the ends and outs.

I thought you were headed over to spend some time with DoW? Your buddy WC is still floundering around his last slip, hopefully he gets some firm footing somewhere.

[WAcoyotehunter]

You didn't mention anything about NE Washington? 

[idahohuntr]

Oh I bet the folks at wdfw are just shaking in their chairs wondering when wolfy's evidence is going to come crashing down on them 

[billythekidrock]

Has there ever been any credible evidence of wolves being released in WA by any government agency?

[jackelope]

Noooooooo!!!!!!

[timberfaller]

Simply Amazing!!! People who don't live in the Methow KNOW more about it and what transpires in it then those who do, Simply Amazing!

I guess the best way to put it is,  idahohunter and wacoytehunter are doing pretty much what the NY Times is doing to the "boots on the ground" over the deserter in Afghanistan.  They can't refute the story but attack the sources.

What kind of "credible evidence" you all looking for??   "Yes we at WFWD with our partners the Feds, have released(non-native species)  in and around Twisp and Winthrop"  Aint going to happen boys!

Just because you might spend you hunting seasons(if you do) in the Valley doesn't give you a "head knowledge" about what happens their year in and year out.

FYI on some of the "goings on" that have taken place in the Methow.  Remember when the Salmon got listed??  We were inundated with public meetings.  All timber sales were shut down(unemployment for some of us) only to go back to work the next year with ALL the best timber taken out of our sales(2 miles from the closest water).  The water wars started, state and Feds called meetings and then held them "illegally"  when our county Commissioner called them on it, at the one held at the airport, they just laughed it off.  Go Figure!!  Agenda First and foremost over doing things "legal"

We have acquired the RIGHT to question anything the state of Feds do in or around the METHOW.    And if they claim "no we haven't done that"  red flags immediately go up!   Remember the "lynx" biologist fiasco??

Don't believe in "conspiracy theory's"  ACTIONS speak louder then words.

Have a nice day!

[idahohuntr]

Simply Amazing!!! People who don't live in the Methow KNOW more about it and what transpires in it then those who do, Simply Amazing!

I know...its kind of sad isn't it? I would be embarrassed...but I think you and wolfy are so confused about your different conspiracies you don't even know which way is up anymore. 

What kind of "credible evidence" you all looking for??   

Really, at this point ANYTHING credible would be wonderful.

[mountainman]

Timber and Wolfie..you will never convince Idaho or others of what we, those that lived and grew up in the Methow have seen with our own eyes for the last 40 year's..that suddenly, all the wolves decided to migrate south for no specific reason, at the same time, in soo many diverse areas in Washigton and Oregon..have seen and heard them, with my own ears and own eyes in numbers in many areas. They can purport science over common sense till the cows come home, but stick to their stubborn illusions, changing the topic of discussion all they want..let them lay...some have the capability to reason, some have lost that ability...

[jackelope]

Wolfbait has been preaching how the credible evidence is coming on this forum for literally 5 years. He's been putting down the people who don't think along his lines. He's been calling people names. He's been all talk. It's time to put up or shut up in my opinion. Pretty sure that's what these other guys are saying too, but I'll let them say that for themselves.

[wolfbait]

Wolfbait has been preaching how the credible evidence is coming on this forum for literally 5 years. He's been putting down the people who don't think along his lines. He's been calling people names. He's been all talk. It's time to put up or shut up in my opinion. Pretty sure that's what these other guys are saying too, but I'll let them say that for themselves.

I knew you would be back Jack! Yep, I have called you a few names in the past, but I have learned my lesson after getting banned a couple of times. Besides I realized you just aren't worth it.

Exposing WDFW and their wolf releases isn't in my corner anymore Jack, which in a way is a relief. People with more info then I had will pull the trigger. I highly doubt those responsible will be held accountable, just like the USFWS and their releases. But at least the people of WA will understand Where and how WA ended up with so many wolves so fast.

"U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Northern Rocky Mountain Recovery Program Update
2008

Until 2008, no wild wolves had been confirmed west of the DPS boundary in Washington or Oregon. However, in July 2008, a wolf pack (2 adults and 6 pups) was discovered near Twisp, WA (just east of the North Cascades and west of the DPS boundary). Genetic testing showed these wolves did not originate from the NRM DPS; instead they apparently dispersed southward from the wolf population in southcentral British Columbia. Both adults were radio-collared and the pack is being monitored via radio telemetry by Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. If this pack persists it will remain separated and distinct from the NRM DPS by the large expanse of unsuitable wolf habitat in eastern WA and OR.
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt08/FINAL_2008_USFWS_Recovery_Program_Update_3-17-09.pdf

DNA samples confirm gray wolves are back in Methow Valley By Joyce Campbell
Methow Valley News
July 24, 2008

DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.
“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.”http://www.conservationnw.org/news/pressroom/press-clips/dna-samples-confirm-gray-wolves-are-back-in-methow-valley

Is there a difference between “southcentral British Columbia” and “northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada”?
Perhaps the USFWS and WDFW should have gotten their story straight as to where they were going to say the wolves came from? I guess they couldn’t say, we hauled them in from Idaho with horse trailers, it just wouldn’t fit the narrative of: (“This is a natural colonization,” said Fitkin. “The wolves are naturally immigrating.” )"

And last but not least good old CNW have their DNA test results: "Conservation Northwest, a Bellingham-based organization that has monitored wolves in the North Cascades and advocated for their recovery"

"DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, Conservation Northwest said in a press release." http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/06/25/will-federal-delisting-impact-states-wolves/

So now we have the USFWS with>>>  "southcentral British Columbia".

WDFW with>>>the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada

Conservation Northwest with>>>>>coastal British Columbia

DNA test show wolves "migrated' from everywhere except Idaho, Wyoming or Montana. No shocker there. Maybe it's a good thing there are so many DNA test results, after all every wolf sighting in Okanogan county is suppose to be from the Lookout Pack.

[mountainman]

For the defenders of wolves naturally "migrating" to every corner of Washington state...why did these northern, southern B.C., Idaho wolves, (or wherever the daily opinion says they are from..oh yeah, science facts..) wait so many years to suddenly, and miraculously appear in the last few years? Why do we have warnings to keep pets and children inside up the Squillchuck here in Chelan@ county? Why, when warning shot fired up Pitcher canyon, the wolves continued to approach? Are they habituated to humans? How about the wolf shot in self defence up Harts pass? Habituated also? That story would have hit the news big time if it wasn't credible, wouldn't. It? Wolves roaming the edges of city limits in Wenatchee? Not your normal behavior of a" natural, migrated" wolf? Again, some will believe what they are spoon fed from the" specialists"...Like so many political issues...people need to learn to believe what they see, rather then what they are told..BTW Jackelope, reading back thru. These wolf topics, I read more sarcasm from those on the left of this issue, than from Wolfbait...just an observation..please re-read...

[idahohuntr]

Wolfbait has been preaching how the credible evidence is coming on this forum for literally 5 years. He's been putting down the people who don't think along his lines. He's been calling people names. He's been all talk. It's time to put up or shut up in my opinion. Pretty sure that's what these other guys are saying too, but I'll let them say that for themselves.

Well said. 

Exposing WDFW and their wolf releases isn't in my corner anymore Jack, which in a way is a relief. People with more info then I had will pull the trigger. I highly doubt those responsible will be held accountable, just like the USFWS and their releases. But at least the people of WA will understand Where and how WA ended up with so many wolves so fast.

Boy...if this isn't full on back pedaling I don't know what is! 

If its not your job anymore then will you promise to stop lying about wolf releases?  Just let it go...figure out how to help wdfw collar more wolves and confirm more packs by reporting wolf sightings etc...something productive. 

[wolfbait]

Wolfbait has been preaching how the credible evidence is coming on this forum for literally 5 years. He's been putting down the people who don't think along his lines. He's been calling people names. He's been all talk. It's time to put up or shut up in my opinion. Pretty sure that's what these other guys are saying too, but I'll let them say that for themselves.

Well said. 

Exposing WDFW and their wolf releases isn't in my corner anymore Jack, which in a way is a relief. People with more info then I had will pull the trigger. I highly doubt those responsible will be held accountable, just like the USFWS and their releases. But at least the people of WA will understand Where and how WA ended up with so many wolves so fast.

Boy...if this isn't full on back pedaling I don't know what is! 

If its not your job anymore then will you promise to stop lying about wolf releases?  Just let it go...figure out how to help wdfw collar more wolves and confirm more packs by reporting wolf sightings etc...something productive.

The issue of WDFW releasing wolves in WA and then claiming all of them "migrated" will never go away, and it shouldn't the people of WA have the right to know the truth. Just like the fraud and corruption of the original wolf introduction, the same tactics are now being played out in many states, using state game agencies and the same failed "science". You can wish it would go away till the cows come home, but just like WDFW lying about wolf killed livestock, it will always come back to bite a chunk out of them.

If WDFW would have been honest from the start, WA wouldn't have the wolf problems that we have today.

Where did the Lookout pack come from?

So now we have the USFWS with>>>  "southcentral British Columbia".

WDFW with>>>the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada

Conservation Northwest with>>>>>coastal British Columbia