black bears vs .300 black out

[huntnfmly]

Hey everybody i want to get some ammo made up for my ar for bear in .300 blk was thinking about 155 or 208 grain hornady amax bullets or the barnes all copper bullets was looking for opinions or input on other bullets that you think would be good.

[h20hunter]

You ca look back at my thread from last year regarding Barnes in .270 150 gr. Need a bit more speed but mine devastated my bear. Qtr away, took out liver lung lung and broke far side shoulder. Great retention and mr. Bear went about 15 feet. The bear I'm referring to was a spring bear and shown in my avatar.

[coop2424]

150-200 grains seems way to heavy for the 300 blk.  What shot distance are you looking at?  I guess it could work like inside 75 yards or so.   I have not looked at any ballistic charts just going off memory but wouldn't 150 gr only be going like around 1800-1900 at the barrel? 

[Atroxus]

There was an article in the may 2014 American hunter magazine where the author used and endorsed .300 blk with 120gr Barnes tac-tx bullets for black bear. Article claimed that "This all-copper bullet with a polymer tip performed flawlessly on my hunt, mushrooming beautifully with enough wallop to penetrate the thick hair and hide, and destroying both shoulders of a 375-pound bear."

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[Stein]

I know that for my 168 TSX in 30 cal the minimum velocity on target to reliably expand is 1,800.  Thus, you need to be coming out of the barrel faster than that unless you plan on getting real close.

[Jamieb]

Imho you can't make any cartridge based off a .223 case a bear cartridge, I don't care what bullet you use

[RadSav]

There was an article in the may 2014 American hunter magazine where the author used and endorsed .300 blk with 120gr Barnes tac-tx bullets for black bear. Article claimed that "This all-copper bullet with a polymer tip performed flawlessly on my hunt, mushrooming beautifully with enough wallop to penetrate the thick hair and hide, and destroying both shoulders of a 375-pound bear."

With the Black Out velocity limitations I think the TAC-TX would be about the only all copper round I would try.  I'd probably go to something like the Hornady 130 grain or similar.  Not sure I would go heavier than 150 grain.  I've seen the Hornady 130 Spire Point from a 308 take a number of bear.  I've always been amazed at how well it performed.  I'd expect the 150 grain Partition to be an outstanding choice too.

[huntnfmly]

Thanks everybody

[mountainman]

Imho you can't make any cartridge based off a .223 case a bear cartridge, I don't care what bullet you use

back in the day, a man by the name of Bob Milek killed all sorts of big game with the TCU line up. All based off the 223 case, in 6mm,6.5mm, and 7mm. All from a contender. Reasonable range, proper bullet, and we'll placed shots

[RadSav]

Imho you can't make any cartridge based off a .223 case a bear cartridge, I don't care what bullet you use

back in the day, a man by the name of Bob Milek killed all sorts of big game with the TCU line up. All based off the 223 case, in 6mm,6.5mm, and 7mm. All from a contender. Reasonable range, proper bullet, and we'll placed shots

Good man, good writer!

[jasnt]

If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine

[bullfisher]

Definitely not the round of choice for bear imo. You have to keep in mind the loss of energy and momentum beyond 200yds, but with a proper load it can be done. A 130grn Accubond would be my choice. 

[RadSav]

If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine

If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine 

[bullfisher]

If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine

If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine 

HA!  Exactly...

[jasnt]

If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine

If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine 

HA!  Exactly...

Glad you guys got a kick out of my lil joke

It drives me nuts how people say you can't use that cal it won't work,that bullet won't work ,or you can but shot placement is critical.... Shot placement is always critical unless your shooting a cannon. 

With 180gr. Bullet the 300blk is going about 1600fps at the muzzle. That's just under 1000 ft/lbs. And just over 800 ft/lbs at 200 yards.  I would not feel under gunned.

[coop2424]

If an arrow can kill a bear then your 300blk will will do just fine

If an arrow can kill an elephant then your 300blk will do just fine 

HA!  Exactly...

Glad you guys got a kick out of my lil joke

It drives me nuts how people say you can't use that cal it won't work,that bullet won't work ,or you can but shot placement is critical.... Shot placement is always critical unless your shooting a cannon. 

With 180gr. Bullet the 300blk is going about 1600fps at the muzzle. That's just under 1000 ft/lbs. And just over 800 ft/lbs at 200 yards.  I would not feel under gunned.

Will the bullets even expand at these speeds?  I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion? 

[RadSav]

Will the bullets even expand at these speeds?  I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion?

Softer lead bullets like the SST, Inner-Lock, Core-Lokt, Partition should do ok down to just under 1,000.  But tissue devastation will be limited. Hitting bone will help, but at those speeds you probably want to stay away from the bigger shoulder bones.  Bear are a little difficult to track without an exit wound, but it can be done.

I have zero experience with the A-Max or Berger so can't help you there.  I'd be interested to see what some of the bullets designed for the 30-30 would do!  Sounds like some fun testing might be in order

[carpsniperg2]

I have been playing with my blackout a good bit. I am also building a semi auto, I am running a bolt gun right now. With the proper loading supersonic I would have no problem cracking a bear with it. With sub sonic loads. IDK I have some of the Lehigh expanding subsonic bullets that I plan to see used on deer this year. My standard loads are the 220 smk's and they do not open at all running them as sub's. 

[jasnt]

Amax is a target bullet, not recommended for hunting. I would recomend a nosler bt or Berger hunting bullet, hornady sst.  You could get higher velocity from a lighter bullet. I just used a 180gr as an example.  Could even go cast bullets if expansion is a concern. Regardless of which bullet you choose you could test expansion with wet phonebooks or news paper.
30/30 or 44mag doesn't push a bullet very fast either but id wouldn't hesitate to use either of those on black bear. I know a tribal guy that's killed plenty of bear with a 204 ruger but id bet alot of people would say "no way would that work"

[Biggerhammer]

I like horse power but the simple fact is, holes kill stuff. I would take a poke at a Black Bear with a 6.5 PCC on a AR. I would even slum a Speer 120gr Hotcore or a Hornady Interlock.

[mountainman]

Will the bullets even expand at these speeds?  I thought the amax needed something like 1400-1600 for proper expansion?

Softer lead bullets like the SST, Inner-Lock, Core-Lokt, Partition should do ok down to just under 1,000.  But tissue devastation will be limited. Hitting bone will help, but at those speeds you probably want to stay away from the bigger shoulder bones.  Bear are a little difficult to track without an exit wound, but it can be done.

I have zero experience with the A-Max or Berger so can't help you there.  I'd be interested to see what some of the bullets designed for the 30-30 would do!  Sounds like some fun testing might be in order

agree Rad! A flat tipped bullet designed for the 30-30 would do the trick, as would a Lehigh payload bullet!

[kodiak 907]

Shot Placement.

[yorketransport]

The 300 Whisper killed a lot of critters out of the Contender pistol barrels. I don't see why the Black Out (essentially the  same caliber) wouldn't do the same out of a carbine at reasonable ranges.

Like others said, I'd look at some of the bullets designed for the 30-30. The Hornady Flex Tip bullets would be hard to ignore if I were in your position.

Andrew

[addicted]

Every time you buy a lead free bullet a liberal gets a hard on.
Consider what could be used in a 30-30 or another stagnant 30 cal.  I'm sure there are plenty of 30-30 big game articles

[Biggerhammer]

Every time you buy a lead free bullet a liberal gets a hard on.
Consider what could be used in a 30-30 or another stagnant 30 cal.  I'm sure there are plenty of 30-30 big game articles