I find that these days you almost have to get some sort of inside scoop on a reasonable place to start.  Doesn't seem to be enough powder or bullets available to spend much time working from minimum to maximum .2 grains at a time.  Took me a year and six hours of driving just to get enough H4350 for a load build last time.  And then I only had enough 8mm bullets left to have 20 for the field!
I will have to take a good look at that online site!  Right now I cross reference between Hornady, Norma and Nosler a lot.  Once I think I've narrowed down a starting point I add in some online research.  I never ever take online hearsay as solid evidence, but combined with the manuals it just adds a level of confidence and support.  Having a site like that will hopefully replace the hearsay support and weed out the my weaner is bigger influence.
Thank you for the tip!