interesting article on coastal vs inland wolves

[idahohuntr]

I like to deal in facts too, please show me where Washington having 15 BP's was included in the original wolf recovery plan.

Wolves are federally de-listed/recovered in E. Wa, bearpaw.    There is no 15 BP recovery goal in WA in the "original" wolf plan. 

The 15 BP is a STATE OF WASHINGTON ESA recovery requirement.  Wa state has its own ESA legislation.  I am surprised that being an outftitter in this state you were not aware of this. It is perhaps why you and I disagree so much, I'm not sure you fully understand the situation in Washington State and why we (hunters) must appeal to the non-hunting voters...unlike Idaho or Montana where they do not have such burdensome state endangered species legislation.   

[bearpaw]

I like to deal in facts too, please show me where Washington having 15 BP's was included in the original wolf recovery plan.

Wolves are federally de-listed/recovered in E. Wa, bearpaw.    There is no 15 BP recovery goal in WA in the "original" wolf plan. 

The 15 BP is a STATE OF WASHINGTON ESA recovery requirement.  Wa state has its own ESA legislation.  I am surprised that being an outftitter in this state you were not aware of this. It is perhaps why you and I disagree so much, I'm not sure you fully understand the situation in Washington State and why we (hunters) must appeal to the non-hunting voters...unlike Idaho or Montana where they do not have such burdensome state endangered species legislation.

I'm not surprised by your comment, I see that attitude often. I suppose I'm just supposed to succumb to your agenda, NOT. But it's probably easiest for now to just agree to disagree, I've got too many irons in the fire at the moment to dig up supporting data of how the goal posts have been changed along the way.

Without getting into many details, the fact is that the original wolf proposal is much different than the end wolf results.