Idaho to re-draw?

[HUNT]

Wonder if non residents will get a chance at any of the 363 tags that are added back???  Wonder how many of the original 363 tags were given to nonresident 9-11 year olds.

[jjhunter]

Wonder if non residents will get a chance at any of the 363 tags that are added back???  Wonder how many of the original 363 tags were given to nonresident 9-11 year olds.

Probably depends on whether or not the non-resident quota was met on the initial drawing?

[HUNT]

Hopefully they won't count any of the 363 9-11 year old tags towards the nonresident quota.  Even if they were awarded to nonresident kids.

[jjhunter]

I would expect all of the same rules to apply (i.e.  NR entitled to (up to) 10% of the tags).

[pd]

JJ, do you have a link for the decision?

[Bigshooter]

It's posted on IDFG website now.

[Mr Mykiss]

This is gonna get interesting. Kind of like a second second draw...

[BULLBLASTER]

What about all the kids that didnt apply because it was illegal according to fish and game?  I would be pissed if I held a kid out only to find d out that other kids who broke the rules got tags... then to just add tags to hunts? 
I guess we can all pick a law in idaho to ignore now... there own department set a precedent of breaking them...
I guess the free entry into the second draw for the kids who followed the rules is a small step in the right direction...

[jjhunter]

No law was broken - a policy, but not a law.

I truly believe that the F&G were operating under the best of intentions from a customer service perspective.   Unfortunately, in an attempt to appease all parties, the commissioner placed most of the burden on the herds with issuing extra tags.

 

[Mr Mykiss]

I'm anxious to see the list of tags to be re-drawn...

[HUNT]

I have 2 kids in for youth deer tags, elk and antelope tags. 

My 19 year old drew a deer tag.  But also is in for elk and antelope tags.

So I'm curious how they will handle the resident/nonresident issue in the re-draw.  And I wonder if 9-11 year old non-residents drew the nonresident quota for their hunts??? 

Be interesting to see how forthcoming they are with information and how it affects everyone know that everyone's situation is a bit different.

[idahohuntr]

I would be surprised if very many 9-11 yo non-residents were drawn in the first place.    They will hold the NR quota as up to 10% (i think...obviously they just make stuff up as they go along  ).  It will all depend on what hunts are going to be re-drawn...given that ~30% of the 9/10 y.o. applicants drew, I'm guessing the bulk of the redrawn hunts are going to be fairly high odds doe/cow tags.  I doubt there will be very many (if any) 11,44,45,40, etc. deer/elk/antelope tags to redraw...but who knows.

I do believe there should be some firings/resignations over this cluster.  The allocation of scarce public resources should not be predicated on haphazard and arbitrary decision making.  This casts doubt on the legitimacy of future draws, makes the agency look really stupid, and unnecessarily angers large numbers of sportsmen.   

[BULLBLASTER]

No law was broken - a policy, but not a law.

I truly believe that the F&G were operating under the best of intentions from a customer service perspective.   Unfortunately, in an attempt to appease all parties, the commissioner placed most of the burden on the herds with issuing extra tags.

your correct... the whole thing is a grease fire. According to the game laws pamphlet the apps should have been disallowed. I would be very upset if I had a child who I didn't enter into the draw because of the book... come to find out they could have been entered. I also agree that the wildlife and management of wildlife should take the brunt of someone's screw up.

[idahohuntr]

I truly believe that the F&G were operating under the best of intentions from a customer service perspective.   

I don't.  It is a huge disservice to the hundreds of thousands of sportsmen who play by the rules.  This was a political move where the director thought the backlash from keeping the rules in place would cause too much negative press.  Despite strong opposition from his staff he chose this path.  He should be fired...and I'm sure the Commissioners will discuss this next week. He seriously damaged the agencies reputation and credibility.  I can't imagine any sportsmen are happy with how any of this was handled.

[pd]

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/media/appDecision2014.pdf

I don't know if I can agree with the "tar & feather" brigade.  I am not carrying water for the Director, but I believe his explanation and apology to be satisfactory.  He admits that his staff and he--personally--made some mistakes, and he takes responsibility for these errors.  What else could you ask him to do?

If everybody fell on a sword every time there was a mistake, we would live in a very lonely world.