What magnum do you suggest for a teen?

[jackelope]

For the record, I don't think you can go wrong with either. Maybe at extra long ranges there's a significant enough difference,  but what are the odds that 90% of the people will be shooting that far??

[kentrek]

  but what are the odds that 90% of the people will be shooting that far??

Exactly 

[Bob33]

  but what are the odds that 90% of the people will be shooting that far??

Exactly 

Will be, perhaps.  Should be - absolutely not.  The difference in trajectory between 7mm and 30 caliber magnums is negligible at reasonable distances.

[Shane54]

Good thing I hav both now!

[M_ray]

It's 'ballistic coefficient' and I guess depending on which bullet you're looking at, maybe the 7mm might have a higher BC but with the Accubond LR,  the .308 cal bullet wins out, doesn't it?

I suppose so that is if you're willing to shoot a 210 grn bullet and compare it to a 168? All things being equal you would have to compare both at 168 right? It's not only BC Im looking for otherwise I would just shoot the 210. Personally if I am looking to get away from the muzzlebreak and the recoil then a 210 defeats that purpose ...

[coachcw]

I have had both sevens that flat put a whooping on you and some that where tame. I wouldn't say felt recoil is much of a difference in either the seven or the thirty with comparable bullets. Its kinda a pick your poison thing  the sevens with 150's are pretty flat and not terrible on recoil though if is was gonna shoot one a bunch it would have a break on it . once you shoot rifles with breaks you will see the difference . I like seeing impact through the scope. if you want less recoil with close to the same performance as the belted mags look at the 280ai. I have seen a couple sevens that where really finicky on factory ammo and seemed to only like the 150 nps . the lrab in 150 could be a sweet set up in one . i'd be a bit concerened with the vld inside of 200 inless you really like messes but out past 500 it would be wicked  in a half moa gun or better .

[Taco280AI]

Question for the OP...

Real world, and not just on paper,  what will the 270 do that the 7RM won't? What will the 7RM do that the 270 won't? What will the 300 Win do that the 7RM won't? What will the 7RM do that the 300 won't?

Real differences on game, not paper.  All overlap in what they can do and in hunting I doubt there is anything the 270 or 300 can that the 7mm can't.  Other than just because,  why the 7mm when you already had the other two?

I love my 280AI and yet wouldn't mind other rifles,  but can't find any real advantage in what they would offer unless I went with a big 338 or down to a 223... except for simply just wanting them.

[M_ray]

With the Berger hunting bullets, is there even a legit difference? The .284 is a little higher, but is it enough to make a difference? (That's a legit question, I don't know)

Yes for the vdl hunting  168 grn 7mm @ 0.617 is considerably higher at long range than the same vdl hunting 168 grn 30 cal @ 0.473
that is a better comparison than trying to compare a 7mm 168 against a 30 cal 210 and that is exactly what my first comment to elkoholic was about. Choosing a 210grn is one of the only ways to find BC's that high on the 30cal, everything in the 168 165 range is under and some way under 0.500 for the 30 as compared to the 7 mm. In the 7 there are many choices over 0.500 and I believe I was finding the same in the 180 grn as well ... I'd have to back and find all my notes to be completely sure on that one.

[jackelope]

This wasn't a long range discussion but anyway...aren't you comparing apples to oranges? I assume if you're shooting a .300 win mag or RUM you're not going to be shooting 168 grain bullets. I wouldn't compare 2 bullets the same weight when they're 2 completely different calibers. The real difference will come at ranges 500+ yards where 99% of hunters don't care about and likely don't belong anyway.  I failed to take the recoil thing into account and that's my bad but I haven't heard too many long range shooters concerned with recoil either.

[M_ray]

I was just trying to give the OP the information I was running into when comparing the two calibers. Of coarse there are a million different scenario's so without what my goals were trying to achieve the info wouldn't make much sense. Yes I currently shoot a 300wm and have for maybe even 20 years now ( I know I said 15 earlier lol another thing the OP has to look forward too is getting old and forgetting stuff, but that is a discussion for another day  )

Anyway with my 300 I don't shoot heavy bullets I shoot 150grn nosler partition hand loads with a BC of 0.345. My goal at the time was to keep it flat. I have had passed opportunities at big bucks because they were at extended ranges so I passed those shots due to the bullet and scope combo I have (no custom turrets) so at 500 or more yards it is just a hold over I'm not willing to take. But at the longer ranges I have been shooting lately I know 0.345 can do it but Will most certainly loose power at the end of longer ranges and accuracy on lower BC's will also be a question at the extended range. This may be one reason most will say people shouldn't be shooting that far? You can't just sit down with a magnum and any old bullet off the shelf and shoot accurately out to 5-600 or more yards just because the gun is capable, you need the right bullet to start with.

So at first I was just going to set up my 300 but that's when I couldn't find bullets for the 300 in the 0.500 or greater range without going way up in weight. I will keep the 300 and when I get the 7 built start trying to maximize all I can out of that one, I also didn't want to tear apart my 300 and be without a gun so this way I can get one set up knowing I have one that is working and not have to worry about being without.

[HillSlick]

.358 Norma mag,


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[JohnVH]

7mm