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Do you think this will have an inpact on hunter recruitment/retention?

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Voting closed: November 05, 2014, 09:09:02 AM

Author Topic: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25  (Read 14874 times)

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2014, 11:13:20 PM »
I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2014, 09:30:33 AM »

I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.

Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2014, 09:42:56 AM »

I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.

Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.

I hate the paper that it takes from mine...  :chuckle:
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2014, 09:38:16 AM »

I really do not mind the increase in the Fed stamp but what urks me is that stupid 3rd stamp(or 2nd state stamp)that WA forces on us if you want to shoot certain divers, snow geese or geese in areas 2 or 2A. Now that's a rip off, period.

Those all take extra management/tracking its going to cost more. I have all the endorsements you mention plus sea ducks in Oregon. The only thing I hate is all the paper it adds to my wallet.

I have no problems with the increase at all... cant say that about other hikes. I'd like less paper as well.. by end of year my licenses are as tall as I am.

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2014, 09:40:58 AM »
I think this is long overdue. I don't like having to spend extra money anymore than the next guy, but this program does in fact make a difference for waterfowl. I do not think it will make a difference in hunter recruitment/retention. This is basically the cost of one lunch...

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Or one decoy....   ;)

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 10:22:20 PM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 10:33:59 PM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?

Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US.   :twocents:  We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 06:56:48 AM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?

included as amendments to the act are treaties with Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Russia which coordinate conservation efforts that focus on species travelling between those countries and the US. Some migratory stamp money may be going into Canada to improve habitat for species which winter in the US, for example. I was unable to find specific verbiage regarding specific amounts of money, but it would make sense that we're doing it. Here are some links you might find useful. The first is the actual Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 with amendments and addendums. The second is a USFWS page on the treaty act along with related regulations, actions, and an executive order put in place by Bill Clinton 10 days before the end of his Presidency. Note on the left side of this page links which take you to different pages regarding the act.

http://www.fws.gov/laws/lawsdigest/migtrea.html
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/PartnershipsAndIniatives.html

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 10:00:54 PM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?

Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US.   :twocents:  We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.

A cali bird? pretty cool.
yeah every band we've ever had was was typically from wa state or canada
Brother shot an old bird that was banded in monitoba like 12 years before
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2014, 10:04:04 PM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?

Most of our ducks might come from Canada, but not likely the case for the south central states where many (most?) come from the prairie potholes of the US.   :twocents:  We also shot a hen mallard one year on the Snohomish that had been tagged as a youngster in northern CA earlier that year.

A cali bird? pretty cool.
yeah every band we've ever had was was typically from wa state or canada
Brother shot an old bird that was banded in monitoba like 12 years before

Yeah, she was confused... I think I did the gene pool a favor on that one.   :chuckle:

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2014, 10:14:22 PM »
A little off topic, but something I thought I would share.  Two seasons ago, left my hunting license at home and I had drove over 100 miles to hunt with some buddies.  I went and bought a new license, but half asleep in a walmart at 3 a.m. I forgot to buy another federal duck stamp.

It just so happend that, the same day a game warden came and checked all of our ID, tags, birds and guns.  He noticed I didnt have my stamp but could do nothing.  Washington state game wardens can not write you a ticket for not having your federal stamp. He said that he would have to report it via a report to the federal f&w and then they could choose to send me a ticket in the mail, but it never happened.
Many states have essentially adopted the federal regulation requiring the federal duck stamp into their own state law so they could write a state ticket for not having the federal stamp. But as you learned, WA has not adopted such a law.

Now WDFW Officers are cross-commissioned with USFWS and are in a way acting as federal USFWS Officers when enforcing migratory waterfowl laws. Now legally USFWS could give WDFW a federal ticketbook and tell them to go ahead and write the federal citation for not having the duck stamp, however USFWS hasn't done it. In comparison the Natl Marine Fisheries Service/NOAA gave WDFW federal citation books about 10 years ago and WDFW did write some NMFS/NOAA tickets, but NMFS/NOAA stopped that practice "temporarily."

So for those that say WDFW is looking to write any and as many tickets as possible, I think this is an example that they may not be. Because I think it would be extremely easy for WDFW to ask the legislature, and for them to approve the adoption of the federal duck stamp requirement. Doing so would allow WDFW to actually write state tickets for the offense. :twocents:

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 08:54:06 AM »
one thing I've never understood about the fed stamp... is that most ducks come from canada... yet the duck stamp money stays here in the states....?

Many ducks coming from Alaska as well, but with the migration covering 3 different countries and 50 different US states there needs to be management done on the federal level. Otherwise those boys down south would up the limit to 20 ducks a day and kill em all!  :chuckle:
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 09:15:50 AM »
Do you mean the ability to shoot 20 a day with lead like they can in Mexico?
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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 09:37:07 PM »
awesome more money to fork out!  :bash:

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Re: Migratory Waterfowl Stamp from $15 to $25
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 09:42:26 PM »
Well technically you are buying a piece of art. Small but.  :chuckle:

 


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