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Quote from: ghosthunter on August 14, 2014, 07:11:13 PMThe mere fact that he has one or many legally carried firearms does not proved probable case of any crime in its self.The Third Circuit found that an individual’s lawful possession of a firearm in a crowded place did not justify a search or seizure.United States v. Ubiles (3rd Cir. 2000)The Tenth Circuit found that an investigatory detention initiated by an officer after he discovered that the defendant lawfully possessed a loaded firearm lacked sufficient basis because the firearm alone did not create a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.United States v. King (10th Cir. 1993) "The Claim and exercise of a Constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S. "The mere presence of firearms does not create exigent circumstances."WI v. KiekheferIn a nut shell it has already been ruled in several cases that the carrying of a firearm MAY Cause Alarm, but the Alarm is Not Justified. Given there are no other circumstances or events.Perfect arguments for "gun free" zones. A whack job carries an AK47 onto a school ground, and police can do nothing because "The Claim and exercise of a Constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime."
The mere fact that he has one or many legally carried firearms does not proved probable case of any crime in its self.The Third Circuit found that an individual’s lawful possession of a firearm in a crowded place did not justify a search or seizure.United States v. Ubiles (3rd Cir. 2000)The Tenth Circuit found that an investigatory detention initiated by an officer after he discovered that the defendant lawfully possessed a loaded firearm lacked sufficient basis because the firearm alone did not create a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.United States v. King (10th Cir. 1993) "The Claim and exercise of a Constitutional Right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S. "The mere presence of firearms does not create exigent circumstances."WI v. KiekheferIn a nut shell it has already been ruled in several cases that the carrying of a firearm MAY Cause Alarm, but the Alarm is Not Justified. Given there are no other circumstances or events.
Quote from: bobcat on August 14, 2014, 08:09:40 PMYou can't hunt or shoot on land managed by Washington State Parks. Same as National Parks. there are some National Parks that allow hunting. One in Wyoming allows elk hunting.
You can't hunt or shoot on land managed by Washington State Parks. Same as National Parks.
Sounds to me like all went well, a non-story. The dude was causing a disturbance of sorts, and asked to leave voluntarily which he did. I can't find any rights violated. He could have hung a dozen pink pickles off his jacket causing a disturbance and thus asked to leave "voluntarily", the guns are irrelevant. Nothing illegal about a dozen pink pickles..It was out of place and out of the ordinary = cops called.
Quote from: KFhunter on August 14, 2014, 10:03:32 PMSounds to me like all went well, a non-story. The dude was causing a disturbance of sorts, and asked to leave voluntarily which he did. I can't find any rights violated. He could have hung a dozen pink pickles off his jacket causing a disturbance and thus asked to leave "voluntarily", the guns are irrelevant. Nothing illegal about a dozen pink pickles..It was out of place and out of the ordinary = cops called. exactly! leave him alone. Looks to me like people are trying change the way people might go and do something force evolution or something not sure but don't wnt to get shot because I don't follow the in crowd.We have not seen any evidence in this thread that he caused a disturbance?Or any official evidence that he had more than a couple guns.I guess my point is, if this even happen. There was no reason to escort him any where.They saw no threat because he was not arrested, thus leave him alone.
Quote from: csaaphill on August 14, 2014, 02:03:52 PMQuote from: jackelope on August 14, 2014, 01:44:45 PMQuote from: timberghost72 on August 13, 2014, 01:03:27 PMUpdate,I just got off of the phone with the Verlot Ranger Station/service center. I asked about this issue and the person I talked to said the WTA report was fairly accurate. I asked about what happened and she informed me that there was a man with an assault rifle and several hand guns on the trail. He was not threatening anyone and minding his own business. I asked if he was cited or arrested and she said no. I asked if he was escorted off the trail and asked to leave. She said yes he was asked to voluntarily leave. She then told me that is was legal to carry in NF and such (I think she thought I was an anti-gunner). The lady I talked to was very nice and forthcoming.I'm all for protecting ones' self, I'm all for guns, I'm all for open carry, concealed carry, hunting, shooting whatever else...but what on God's green earth does a guy need an assault rifle and "several" handguns for on a very popular, well travelled hiking trail?? If I saw that guy on a trail, I'd be alarmed too. When people are hiking with their children in the middle of the woods and a dude comes walking by you on a trail and he's armed like the zombie apocalypse is about to go down, what do you expect is going to happen?This is the same stuff that is giving the pro-open carry crowd a bad name, like strapping an AR to your back and going to Starbucks. That or the guy has a few screws loose. This guy could have thought of about 673 other better places to take his guns for a walk.Just my .02ya stop trying to limit us all the more and stop trying to throw out your values on people and making points where nonereally eixist nor should it. We all know how you people get this started is to throw outthiskind of crap then beofre you know it's law or some other kind of taboo. then before you know it those that don't care or want to change to your way of thinking we end up in jail or dead!STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!You might want to take a step back and reread what I said. Nowhere did I put my values out there. Not sure what kind of crap I'm throwing out there either. The guy is on a wildly popular hiking trail in western Washington carrying a MSR/assault rifle/semi-auto rifle/call it what you want and "several"(according to the lady at Verlot) handguns. It's going to raise red flags. I don't care if the guy was carrying a pre-64 model 70 and 3 Ruger Blackhawks. They're all guns and people who are not pro-gun are bound to freak out in that scenario. That, sir, is a fact regardless of what "values" you think I'm throwing out there. Unfortunately it's inherent in today's society.
Quote from: jackelope on August 14, 2014, 01:44:45 PMQuote from: timberghost72 on August 13, 2014, 01:03:27 PMUpdate,I just got off of the phone with the Verlot Ranger Station/service center. I asked about this issue and the person I talked to said the WTA report was fairly accurate. I asked about what happened and she informed me that there was a man with an assault rifle and several hand guns on the trail. He was not threatening anyone and minding his own business. I asked if he was cited or arrested and she said no. I asked if he was escorted off the trail and asked to leave. She said yes he was asked to voluntarily leave. She then told me that is was legal to carry in NF and such (I think she thought I was an anti-gunner). The lady I talked to was very nice and forthcoming.I'm all for protecting ones' self, I'm all for guns, I'm all for open carry, concealed carry, hunting, shooting whatever else...but what on God's green earth does a guy need an assault rifle and "several" handguns for on a very popular, well travelled hiking trail?? If I saw that guy on a trail, I'd be alarmed too. When people are hiking with their children in the middle of the woods and a dude comes walking by you on a trail and he's armed like the zombie apocalypse is about to go down, what do you expect is going to happen?This is the same stuff that is giving the pro-open carry crowd a bad name, like strapping an AR to your back and going to Starbucks. That or the guy has a few screws loose. This guy could have thought of about 673 other better places to take his guns for a walk.Just my .02ya stop trying to limit us all the more and stop trying to throw out your values on people and making points where nonereally eixist nor should it. We all know how you people get this started is to throw outthiskind of crap then beofre you know it's law or some other kind of taboo. then before you know it those that don't care or want to change to your way of thinking we end up in jail or dead!STOP IT AND STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: timberghost72 on August 13, 2014, 01:03:27 PMUpdate,I just got off of the phone with the Verlot Ranger Station/service center. I asked about this issue and the person I talked to said the WTA report was fairly accurate. I asked about what happened and she informed me that there was a man with an assault rifle and several hand guns on the trail. He was not threatening anyone and minding his own business. I asked if he was cited or arrested and she said no. I asked if he was escorted off the trail and asked to leave. She said yes he was asked to voluntarily leave. She then told me that is was legal to carry in NF and such (I think she thought I was an anti-gunner). The lady I talked to was very nice and forthcoming.I'm all for protecting ones' self, I'm all for guns, I'm all for open carry, concealed carry, hunting, shooting whatever else...but what on God's green earth does a guy need an assault rifle and "several" handguns for on a very popular, well travelled hiking trail?? If I saw that guy on a trail, I'd be alarmed too. When people are hiking with their children in the middle of the woods and a dude comes walking by you on a trail and he's armed like the zombie apocalypse is about to go down, what do you expect is going to happen?This is the same stuff that is giving the pro-open carry crowd a bad name, like strapping an AR to your back and going to Starbucks. That or the guy has a few screws loose. This guy could have thought of about 673 other better places to take his guns for a walk.Just my .02
Update,I just got off of the phone with the Verlot Ranger Station/service center. I asked about this issue and the person I talked to said the WTA report was fairly accurate. I asked about what happened and she informed me that there was a man with an assault rifle and several hand guns on the trail. He was not threatening anyone and minding his own business. I asked if he was cited or arrested and she said no. I asked if he was escorted off the trail and asked to leave. She said yes he was asked to voluntarily leave. She then told me that is was legal to carry in NF and such (I think she thought I was an anti-gunner). The lady I talked to was very nice and forthcoming.
Excuse me for my Ignorance Was this a closed area for Hunting? Did he posses a Hunting License and a Bear Tag?Remind me of My Self and a Buddy about 30 years ago Up above Denny Creek On the Pacific Crest We were hunting Bears Lawfully when a bunch of Hikers rounded a corner and saw us walking toward them with rifles the were a little freaked asked us why we had guns told them Bear Hunting They were more freaked there were Bears Different Times
Another question in keeping with the OP.Does the the LE have any obligation or need to respond to a Man with a gun call if all the person is doing is carrying a gun while hiking a trail?Not a crime in this state and many others. Thus no reason to investigate.Without other facts that would lead a reasonable person to conclude a crime was committed. We go down a slippery slope when we are willing to allow constitutional infringements on some random persons fear of what might happen.Something we should all consider. Because at some point we may all be a victim of some persons unfounded personal fears.
