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We should just let karma take care of what we know others are doing that doesn't impact us personally. I know everyone ,and that includes me, that has done things that they know wasn't exactly in the letter of the law. I regret my actions of my youth in these matters but through maturing and reading of our hunting hero's of past years, such as T.R. who slaughtered all manner of game without any limits or game laws, that I became a totally law abiding sportsman.I know that in other states many of our banned methods of hunting here are allowed but I will not break those laws because it IS OUR LAW'S. and that is the contract that I signed when I paid for that hunting license. Our country has many laws that we find incomprehensible but if I were to go down the path of lawlessness it will have to be over some law that restricts a more basic human right than the right of how we lure an animal to be taken for sport or food.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/Smileys/default/twocents.gif
Problem with this thread, is many will laugh about what is legal or not..But the fact remains, if you bait illegally, you are taking away AND taking advantage from those who hunt legally and ethically for bears. Rationalizing what YOU feel should be right, and breaking the laws to fit your views, wether you bait illegally or just condone it, hurts the rest of us. Back in the 80's, I held several meetings with members of the the game department and members of the state hound association to help mend the problems between hound and bait hunters...I worked closely with the department to battle poaching for the sake of the gall sales..people were prosecuted for it..yes, I take illegal advantage seriously! That's my ethical view on it, some out there may not agree...Do I agree with the ban? Absolutely not, but the law is what it is..many laws out there I don't agree with, but I still obey them, and fight to change them. Do you?Please, rant on...
Quote from: mountainman on August 06, 2014, 04:22:07 PMProblem with this thread, is many will laugh about what is legal or not..But the fact remains, if you bait illegally, you are taking away AND taking advantage from those who hunt legally and ethically for bears. Rationalizing what YOU feel should be right, and breaking the laws to fit your views, wether you bait illegally or just condone it, hurts the rest of us. Back in the 80's, I held several meetings with members of the the game department and members of the state hound association to help mend the problems between hound and bait hunters...I worked closely with the department to battle poaching for the sake of the gall sales..people were prosecuted for it..yes, I take illegal advantage seriously! That's my ethical view on it, some out there may not agree...Do I agree with the ban? Absolutely not, but the law is what it is..many laws out there I don't agree with, but I still obey them, and fight to change them. Do you?Please, rant on...Everything you say about legality is true, and stands on it's own just fine. I don't agree with the ethics though as it's far easier to not shoot that sow with cubs in tow if you're in a tree watching them at a bait station. So how much does legality play a role in ethics? It really chaps my rear that timber companies can slaughter bear by the 1000's off bait using hired exterminators. I just can't buy into any anti-baiting arguments other than it's illegal and that's that.
The problem as hunters, we don't work together to get these bad laws overturned. The anti's use your own videos you post on Youtube or videos sold against hunters as a whole. They spin the advertisements as such, that every animal suffers by the hands of hunter. These laws that continue to restrict how we harvest animals, where we can harvest animals, keeps changing. PETA, conservation NW and other groups ultimate goal is to take hunters out of the picture to allow nature to take it's place. The wolves will replace hunters as intended. As long as all hunters continue to follow all the new rules set and amended each year. The anti's will continue to win year after year. The only ones they don't seem to go after are the NA. This might be, because they keep fighting for their rights and gaining more rights. They have continued to challenge everything with law suites. What are hunters doing as a whole other than taking to forums and complaining about it. WDFW seems more content on working to appease the antes and NA groups from my perspective in this state.
Quote from: h2ofowlr on August 06, 2014, 08:34:10 PMThe problem as hunters, we don't work together to get these bad laws overturned. The anti's use your own videos you post on Youtube or videos sold against hunters as a whole. They spin the advertisements as such, that every animal suffers by the hands of hunter. These laws that continue to restrict how we harvest animals, where we can harvest animals, keeps changing. PETA, conservation NW and other groups ultimate goal is to take hunters out of the picture to allow nature to take it's place. The wolves will replace hunters as intended. As long as all hunters continue to follow all the new rules set and amended each year. The anti's will continue to win year after year. The only ones they don't seem to go after are the NA. This might be, because they keep fighting for their rights and gaining more rights. They have continued to challenge everything with law suites. What are hunters doing as a whole other than taking to forums and complaining about it. WDFW seems more content on working to appease the antes and NA groups from my perspective in this state.Well said..
Bear baiting does not bother me, it should be legal! Anti's got that law passed not hunters. I wouldn't call anyone.