Geist: Origin of the Myth of Harmless Wolves

[wolfbait]

Interesting read!

Geist: Origin of the Myth of Harmless Wolves
http://polymontana.com/geist-origin-of-the-myth-of-harmless-wolves/

[denali]

Swedish zoo keeper thanks you,,,,oh wait she cant ..

[bobcat]

Valerius Geist, if he writes it, it's true. I have a lot of respect for that guy. That WAS a good read.

[AspenBud]

The problem is the events he refers to occurred at a different time and place. Back then wild game was loosely a crop and as such you did what you needed to. Convincing people that wildlife needs to be managed as such, that's a hard sell in more urbanized areas in this day in age, at least as long as it's cheaper to go to the grocery store than to hunt one's food.

A good and fair read however.

[nwwanderer]

Locally, we have the food source, road killed deer by the hundreds.  I could see this story being retold a hundred years from now about our poor wolves surviving on road kill while those nasty people (hunters, subsistence farmers and stockmen) persecute the noble wolf.  Round and round we go.

[wolfbait]

Locally, we have the food source, road killed deer by the hundreds.  I could see this story being retold a hundred years from now about our poor wolves surviving on road kill while those nasty people (hunters, subsistence farmers and stockmen) persecute the noble wolf.  Round and round we go.

 As time goes on and there is less prey for wolves and other uncontrolled predators, we will see more human predator encounters, more dogs killed off the porch, more wolf/cougar attacks on people.

I don't think it will take a hundred years for the truth to come out, look at W-H in just six years just about everyone gets it. In another six years what will WA look like and how many close encounters will there have been by then?

WDFW are beginning to have a hard time hiding wolves, and more people are becoming educated. David Mech said the one thing that would ruin wolf recovery is the lack of tolerance from the public do to lack of wolf management. Look how long it took for MT and Idaho to realize that their wolf program was heading south. 14 years?

WDFW like to pretend that confirming the wolf pack in 2008 was the first wolf pack in 70 years and the start of wolf recovery in WA, nothing could be further from the truth. WA is a lot further along then many people realize. I'm not even going to bother asking what WDFW will say when people see the wolf population explode beyond belief,  just like every wolf in the Okanogan is part of the lookout pack.

The Carlton Complex fire affected many people in the Okanogan, this was a fire that should have never happened, just like the wolf introduction. The impacts the wolves are having on WA are slower to see, but the outcome will be the same, it's just going to take a little longer for people to see the wreckage the wolves are leaving behind.

[idahohuntr]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

[Bob33]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

Pig #3.

[idahohuntr]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

Pig #3.

  You almost cost me a new computer screen!!! Good thing coffee cleans up easy enough!

[wolfbait]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

I guess it mostly has to do with the lies that have been told by those who promote wolves.

In the beginning the USFWS said there had never been a wolf attack in North America, and when they were proven to be liars they had to change their numbers to two, which was still a lie. You will notice that other state game agencies are promoting the same lie.

Cougars, bears etc. are hunted while wolves have been protected to the point that their are too many. Look at WA, when if ever will WA be able to control wolves through hunting? Cougar etc. kills one of my horses I can shoot it, if the same was said about a wolf/wolves, the feds and WDFW would want me swinging from a tree.

Wolf Attacks on Humans
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html

[timberfaller]

"which was still a lie"

I prefer to call it for what it is,  Propaganda or Indoctrination!  take your pick!

In the PC world, it is NOT polite to call one a LIAR!

Soooooo which is more compatible!!??

[ribka]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

Thanks for the laff. Last time I laughed so hard is when you came on here and praised Obama. Interesting to note that many of the passive aggressive Canadian grey wolf luvers also luv Obama. Would luv a study re the correlation of Canadian grey wolf luvers and Obama luvers.  I have heard this myth in school  and repeated by supposedy educated wolf lovers dozens of times in my life. Nice try



http://books.google.com/books?id=iUVJsGY9Q-8C&pg=PA126&lpg=PA126&dq=no+documents+attacks+by+wolves+on+man&source=bl&ots=4N6bIoBxoQ&sig=8korsN8eWeO-Zt5GUrja84ptAj4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=D6n6U7bfHoKsjAK-voGIAw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=no%20documents%20attacks%20by%20wolves%20on%20man&f=false

[idahohuntr]

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

Thanks for the laff. Last time I laughed so hard is when you came on here and praised Obama. Interesting to note that many of the passive aggressive Canadian grey wolf luvers also luv Obama. Would luv a study re the correlation of Canadian grey wolf luvers and Obama luvers.  I have heard this myth in school  and repeated by supposedy educated wolf lovers dozens of times in my life. Nice try

You bet...now why don't you go find that obama praising post of mine and quote it here for everyone to see...promise you won't come back until you find it! 

Also, based on the way you wrote your post I presume "educated" means anyone who made it past 3rd grade? 

[Bob33]

Last time I laughed so hard is when you came on here and praised Obama.

Huh? I  think you're a bit confused.

[ribka]

Sure "Obama is a gutsy president"  in a previous post. Can provide link if you want

I have never heard anyone suggest wolves are incapable of harming/killing humans, elk, deer, or just about any other animal so I am a little baffled by the title of this thread.  Are there people who think cougars and bears are harmless too?

Thanks for the laff. Last time I laughed so hard is when you came on here and praised Obama. Interesting to note that many of the passive aggressive Canadian grey wolf luvers also luv Obama. Would luv a study re the correlation of Canadian grey wolf luvers and Obama luvers.  I have heard this myth in school  and repeated by supposedy educated wolf lovers dozens of times in my life. Nice try

You bet...now why don't you go find that obama praising post of mine and quote it here for everyone to see...promise you won't come back until you find it! 

Also, based on the way you wrote your post I presume "educated" means anyone who made it past 3rd grade?