Remington 700 Long Range 300 Win. Mag

[iusmc2002]

I put a Holland's QD muzzle brake on a Varmint profile Douglas 300WM barrel and it brought the recoil down to what my 243 felt like.  I could only shoot about 40 rounds in a sitting without the brake.  With the brake, I fired 100 rounds before I got bored of shooting at 300 yards.  I replaced that 27in Douglas with a 28in Criterion bull barrel, and the added weight allows me to fire about 65-70 rounds in a sitting before I start flinching.  Now, my bullet is a bit lighter than yours (168 vs 208), so I feel a little less recoil. 

If YOU are getting worse results than someone else firing the same rifle/load, I would say your fundamentals are going down the toilet because of felt recoil, and possibly the anticipation of the coming kick.  With my current rifle, if I have my stuff wired tight, my rifle recoils right, and up.  If I mess my fundamentals up at all, the rifle is recoiling wherever it feels like going.

Personally, I'm ready for something different, so I have a 280 Rem barrel enroute.  I'll put another QD brake on that, and should be able to bore myself with shooting before I start screwing up my fundies because of recoil.

Good luck, have fun

[BULLBLASTER]

When you shoot are you getting a natural point of aim at the target? With my 375 i really need to be good with natural point of aim or i dont shoot real consistently.
Basically line up on target and close your eyes then take a breath and let out and then open your eyes. If you arent on target you are forcing tension into your set up somewhere. Readjust and try again. This ensures your body and head is naturally pointed where the target is.
Another thing you could try to check for flinch is to have your buddy load (or not load) your rifle. You just set up behind it and switch safety off and you dont know if there is actually a round in the gun and shoot. This will show a flinch if one exists.

[mountainman]

I have one in 300 RUM, and recoil, though stouter  then some, is manageable.

[jasnt]

When you shoot are you getting a natural point of aim at the target? With my 375 i really need to be good with natural point of aim or i dont shoot real consistently.
Basically line up on target and close your eyes then take a breath and let out and then open your eyes. If you arent on target you are forcing tension into your set up somewhere. Readjust and try again. This ensures your body and head is naturally pointed where the target is.
Another thing you could try to check for flinch is to have your buddy load (or not load) your rifle. You just set up behind it and switch safety off and you dont know if there is actually a round in the gun and shoot. This will show a flinch if one exists.

great advise

[kbrowne14]

I do know how to check for natural point of aim and for flinching.  I did that, I ddnt move.  Where I am having problems is the follow through.  I don't know if it's body position, or what.  I can't keep the gun pointed at my target after the shot.  And I do know that when I shoot my .308, I stay on target and get great groups.  When I shoot my father in laws 300 we sendero with a brake, i stay on target.  When I shot mine, I come way off each time.  I Don't like to shoot from benches, because there aren't benches where I hunt at.  I shoot from a bipod with a rear bag.  I feel a muzzle brake, is going to make the gun more forgiving to shoot.  It doesn't hurt to shoot, that isn't the problem.  To me it's almost like I have to readjust after every shot because I need to find my target again and get my bags back underneath.  And that readjustment changes slightly between shots, thus changing my position slightly, thus changing my POI slightly.  I think this gun could shoot accurately right now as is, but I think it requires too much perfection to be sub moa consistently. 

[kbrowne14]

What are your groups like mountain man?  Are you shooting from a bench all bagged up or proned out?

[mountainman]

Always prone. 1\2" groups

[rudysts]

These are some options on triggers

1 Jewell $250.00  1 year warranty

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/triggers-parts/triggers/remington-700-40x-win-m70-rifle-triggers-prod27104.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=JEWELL TRIGGERS, INCxzzx

2 Timney trigger $109.00 lifetime warranty

http://www.swpcustom.com/timney510.html

3 Changing out the spring on you factory trigger $6.95  it only takes a few minutes directions come with the spring. trigger pull will be 2.5#-3#

http://erniethegunsmith.com/catalog/i181.html

I have done all three and I prefer timney because of the warranty I have used it and they are fast to repair or replace.

[kbrowne14]

Well, I don't know then.  I guess I'll work on fundamentals until I get a brake, everything I have read and have experienced show that less recoil and jarring of a gun produces more consistency.  I shoot .5" groups all the time with my other rifles.  I have shot .5" groups with this rifle, but I have no consistency with it.

Apparently I am getting some resistance to the idea that heavy recoil can amplify mistakes, not cause mistakes, but amplify.

This is an example of the recoil.  I have my bipod loaded and its tight on my shoulder.  This video slows it down a lot.

remington 700 LR recoil

[JJD]

I had the same problems when I tried the Accubonds.  Switched over to the Berger 215, RE22 @ 71gr (I believe), Rem 9 1/2M primers, Rem brass, bullets seated just a breath off the lands and the inconsistance issues went away.
700 BDL, Leupold glass.
It does set ya back a bit when ya shoot it, but it's accurate.  No sign of excessive pressure.
Where I don't have the heavy barrel, I have to take my time messing with loads as not to over heat it.

[BULLBLASTER]

What velocity are you getting Jjd?
Just curious

[JJD]

BullBlaster,

using a cheap Chrony.  I figure it to be just under 3000, like 2940, something like that.
That being said, the bullet drop I am seeing out to 600 yds indicates that my velocity must be pretty close.

I also built a 30-338 some yrs ago and I may have the velocity figures between the 300 and the 30-338 confused.  If so, I will repost when I get home from work.
Just remembered the load because I loaded up another 50 rds last thursday.

[BULLBLASTER]

I'm just curious jjd. I shoot a sendero 300 rum with 215 burgers at bergers max load and a oal of 3.82. Getting 2950.  Just wondering what you were getting from the winny I was thinking it would be 2850 ish   But if your getting 2950 thTs great!

[JJD]

Why I should not rely on my memory

Berger 210 VLD (not 215) 71.1 gr RE-22 
You are spot on, Velocity was 2850.  Your RUM should be about 100 fps faster as you figured.
I normally go by comparator figures, but measured my 300 WM COAL and its at 3.566.

It was my 30-338 with 185 VLD that was getting just under 3000 fps  My bad.

[Taco280AI]

Are you used to shooting magnums? I counted 10 different paragraphs (not times, but paragraphs) in which you mentioned the recoil, maybe it's just too much gun. I'm guessing your setup weighs 11 pounds plus the bipod, which is pretty darn heavy. And having shot the 300 Win and 300 WSM, they're not that hard of kickers. Unpleasant, yes (to me at least) but my old M70 Extreme Weather setup was 2.75lbs lighter and it was a legit .75 MOA rifle with factory stuff. Are plenty of people who can accurately shoot their 300 mags, plenty of others who can't. I wouldn't blame the recoil as the problem, I'd blame the shooter. And that's nothing against you or anyone else, some people just don't tolerate recoil as well as others. I could shoot mine accurately, I just didn't enjoy doing it so it went away.