Wash. reports new wolf pack found

[pianoman9701]

You guys are spitting into the wind. Those people who so dearly love their wolves won't admit there's a problem even when the ungulates are gone and they have lost their outdoors opportunities. We lost this battle to environmental extremists three years ago with the help of a stacked wildlife commission with a watchable wildlife mentality. The WDFW will self-destruct as the people who support it (the hunters and fishers) go away and find their opportunities elsewhere. We have a very sad state of affairs in WA and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

[boneaddict]

Alright gentleman folk.   I have been awoke from my slumber.  Keep it nice and keep it clean.   Subtle insults will get you into just as much trouble as a bold slap in your face one will .   This is a warning to all listening or partaking specifically in the wolf board at the moment.    I don't like babysitting or playing little games of "he hit me first".  There really wont be any debate.  Your priviledges will be revoked.   Thanks.



This isn't in response to any particular post, but a combination of whiney sniveling that has perforated my mailbox.

  Wow.  I read through the last page or two and not one person has posted one thing I wouldn't say to my own mother...in a church...in front of the congregation...      

May not be in this thread, but I am sure the players that are involved are here and have now read my warning.  Feel free to test the waters with me.   You'll note I don't play games.

[bhawley76]

I'm kind of thinking that they will find there numbers on wolf populations in all of eastern Washington will be a little off come mid October. 

[idahohuntr]

You guys are spitting into the wind. Those people who so dearly love their wolves won't admit there's a problem even when the ungulates are gone and they have lost their outdoors opportunities. We lost this battle to environmental extremists three years ago with the help of a stacked wildlife commission with a watchable wildlife mentality. The WDFW will self-destruct as the people who support it (the hunters and fishers) go away and find their opportunities elsewhere. We have a very sad state of affairs in WA and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

The people who love wolves do not have a need for ungulates to enjoy their outdoor opportunities...they are non-consumptive users. 

I disagree that we have a sad state of affairs in WA with regards to hunting opportunity.  For some, the grass is always greener.  Many folks in Wa envy the wolf management over in Idaho...but there are plenty of folks in Idaho who think the IDFG is the biggest bunch of scheming wolf lovers known to man!  While there are dozens of things I would like to see change and improve in wdfw, to suggest all is lost seems extremely pessimistic and not based in reality.  There are a ton of quality hunting opportunities in this state, which is pretty amazing given the population size, land area, public lands availability etc.   

[KFhunter]

Boot hunting cougar and bear is world class in WA

[denali]

"The people who love wolves do not have a need for ungulates to enjoy their outdoor opportunities...they are non-consumptive users."

They should care a great deal about ungulates, the wolves need something to eat, but you are right to many of them its wolves and wolves only.

[pianoman9701]

You guys are spitting into the wind. Those people who so dearly love their wolves won't admit there's a problem even when the ungulates are gone and they have lost their outdoors opportunities. We lost this battle to environmental extremists three years ago with the help of a stacked wildlife commission with a watchable wildlife mentality. The WDFW will self-destruct as the people who support it (the hunters and fishers) go away and find their opportunities elsewhere. We have a very sad state of affairs in WA and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

The people who love wolves do not have a need for ungulates to enjoy their outdoor opportunities...they are non-consumptive users. 

I disagree that we have a sad state of affairs in WA with regards to hunting opportunity. For some, the grass is always greener.  Many folks in Wa envy the wolf management over in Idaho...but there are plenty of folks in Idaho who think the IDFG is the biggest bunch of scheming wolf lovers known to man!  While there are dozens of things I would like to see change and improve in wdfw, to suggest all is lost seems extremely pessimistic and not based in reality.  There are a ton of quality hunting opportunities in this state, which is pretty amazing given the population size, land area, public lands availability etc.   

No kidding, really? Another shocker. 

[idahohuntr]

We have a very sad state of affairs in WA and it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, if it ever does.

The people who love wolves do not have a need for ungulates to enjoy their outdoor opportunities...they are non-consumptive users. 

I disagree that we have a sad state of affairs in WA with regards to hunting opportunity.  

No kidding, really? Another shocker. 

Yep.  Perhaps you could elaborate on what is such sad state?  KF has already mentioned Cougar and Bear are world class.  I would add that deer, turkey, pheasant, and waterfowl are pretty darn good.  I enjoy the offseason coyote fun in this state as well.  Trophy species are top notch, if only we could address the draw odds issues    Elk hunting is probably where we fall down...but the silver lining is we have tremendous trophy opportunity in the abscense of any really great OTC units.  Again, always room for improvement...but I think it is wrong to suggest the hunting opportunity in this state is a "sad state of affairs".  Some people have unrealistic expectations that 200" mule deer and 360" bull elk should be found behind every tree in OTC general season hunts...those folks will never be happy.   

[Stein]

I'm not a wolf fan, but I appreciate the fact that some citizens like to have them around.  I would hope they would appreciate the fact that I like to hunt even if they dislike it.  Thus, I'm willing to live with wolves to some extent as I don't expect everyone to agree with me 100%.  From my perspective, it sucks, but I'm not the only person in the state.

[KFhunter]

To be fair, I was complaining about Elk prior to wolves.  WDFW is consistent in their mismanagement of Elk,  so when wolves did come I went in full freak out mode. 

I hunted some of my old haunts recently and the change from this last 5 years to now was drastic, even a fairly poor hunter could see that wolves have taken a large number of Elk off the hunting grounds and removed almost all traces of deer.   Not trying to rationalize my continued failure, but it would be nice to have a decent population of Elk to fling an arrow at.

[pianoman9701]

I'm not a wolf fan, but I appreciate the fact that some citizens like to have them around.  I would hope they would appreciate the fact that I like to hunt even if they dislike it.  Thus, I'm willing to live with wolves to some extent as I don't expect everyone to agree with me 100%.  From my perspective, it sucks, but I'm not the only person in the state.

It's not the fact that they're here, although I think our ecosystem has done well without them for 70 years and hunters can be relied upon to kill the proper number of elk and deer when needed. It's that the plan is far too aggressive for our state. We have half the land mass and 16 times the population density of MT, a state who's having severe problems with wolves and their ungulate populations. Our wolf plan calls for 50% more wolf packs than MT. Not only that, but once these ridiculous goals are met, it's three years before steady management can take place. That's ridiculous and it's going to hurt not only hunters, but the economy surrounding hunting, ranchers, and the communities, especially in the NE, who've already been hit so hard by the loss of timber over the last 20 years. Our forests are unhealthy. We have hoof disease in the W. part of our state (no longer just the SW). And we have a wolf program that has goals which appear to have been pulled out of a hat. This isn't about not wanting wolves. This is about common sense and the lack of it due to having a wildlife commission hell-bent on shoving wolves down everyone's throats in as big a way as possible. We could have wolves in WA in a much more reasonable way. The freaks did the deciding and the plan is outrageous.

[boneaddict]

They are quite an interesting critter and I have been somewhat fascinated by them for a long time.   That being said, I don't like them being rammed down my throat.   Mismanagement of them or any other major predator is just plain (Bleep)

[KFhunter]

5 BP managed and kept in wilderness areas would be a plenty
As Idaho is finding out it takes a ton of resources and money to manage them.  WA won't do that.

We'll loose open grazing, even on private lands as is already happening.

[pianoman9701]

5 BP managed and kept in wilderness areas would be a plenty
As Idaho is finding out it takes a ton of resources and money to manage them.  WA won't do that.

We'll loose open grazing, even on private lands as is already happening.

Yes, that would have been at least plenty. 3 times that is bizarre to conceive of.

[gaddy]

and how many will there be after three years once they get the 15?