Wash. reports new wolf pack found

[Yelper Guy]

Any new information about the sheep that had been shot?
Are the enviros taking this too far?

[jasnt]

The resolution says more than 200 of the sheep are still missing and attacks that might be attributed to wolves have been reported by other livestock owners in the area.  That's a lot of $$$$.

A friend of ours just sold 6 sheep and 6 goats the other day for $1500!

that's cheap!  Ewes normally go around $200 each. Milk goats about the same. Withers are a little cheaper

[wolfbait]

http://www.co.stevens.wa.us/commissioners/Commissioners%20Documents/Resolutions/2014/51-2014%20declaring%20WDFW's%20Failure%20to%20Act.pdf

[timberfaller]

Lets see,  some time back Stevens Co. complained to the WDFW about their "Cougar" problem.

What came about from WDFW was a cut back of season and tags on Cats!

Wonder what the WDFW will do this time!??

[pianoman9701]

Lets see,  some time back Stevens Co. complained to the WDFW about their "Cougar" problem.

What came about from WDFW was a cut back of season and tags on Cats!

Wonder what the WDFW will do this time!??

I don't think the people of Stevens Co. much give a crap anymore. They're getting tired of losing their livelihoods to the whiners of King Co.

[Special T]

It is, and always has been, legal to protect ones self from a wolf or any other animal that may injure/harm a human.  Also, no state action forced anyone off of any private property. 

It is NOW legal to your live stock from Wolves but it was not always that way.

[bearpaw]

I am sure they are exploring all available options:

[pianoman9701]

Just sends shivers up your spine, does it not? 

[Billdos Uncle]

WDFW needs new management... A fellow hunter 

[AspenBud]

Lets see,  some time back Stevens Co. complained to the WDFW about their "Cougar" problem.

What came about from WDFW was a cut back of season and tags on Cats!

Wonder what the WDFW will do this time!??

Insert "wolf" everywhere it says cougar/mountain lion. The state of Washington has heard this story before, not to mention seen the hysteria. That's half the problem.

"Complaints were especially high in Okanogan County, where Washington's only recorded fatal cougar attack on a human occurred in 1924. Okanogan County commissioners threatened to declare open season on cougars, arguing that the increased number of complaints meant that there were too many cats. Rancher Joel Kretz, now a state senator, blames the hound-hunting ban..."

http://www.hcn.org/issues/368/17639

""One of the things we'll never get a handle on is the folks who move to the end of a box canyon in the middle of nowhere, and maybe they come from the city, and they see a cougar and say, 'Hey, I saw a cougar, you've got to remove him,' " Beausoleil says. "Well, no, that's not what we do. You're living in cougar country now." He hopes that one day developers, whose brochures tout the wildflowers, deer and elk in Washington's wild places, will tell people about all the bears and cougars, too."

[wolfbait]

Lets see,  some time back Stevens Co. complained to the WDFW about their "Cougar" problem.

What came about from WDFW was a cut back of season and tags on Cats!

Wonder what the WDFW will do this time!??

Insert "wolf" everywhere it says cougar/mountain lion. The state of Washington has heard this story before, not to mention seen the hysteria. That's half the problem.

"Complaints were especially high in Okanogan County, where Washington's only recorded fatal cougar attack on a human occurred in 1924. Okanogan County commissioners threatened to declare open season on cougars, arguing that the increased number of complaints meant that there were too many cats. Rancher Joel Kretz, now a state senator, blames the hound-hunting ban..."

http://www.hcn.org/issues/368/17639

""One of the things we'll never get a handle on is the folks who move to the end of a box canyon in the middle of nowhere, and maybe they come from the city, and they see a cougar and say, 'Hey, I saw a cougar, you've got to remove him,' " Beausoleil says. "Well, no, that's not what we do. You're living in cougar country now." He hopes that one day developers, whose brochures tout the wildflowers, deer and elk in Washington's wild places, will tell people about all the bears and cougars, too."

Sure-and then you have WDFW protecting cougars and bears, and then if that isn't bad enough they open their arms for the the Canadian wolves that were introduced illegally. We have cougars coming into towns killing deer, so it can't be blamed on the folks living out of town. It's lack of predator control plain and simple.

[jasnt]

Cougar could be open year round in Washington, with out hounds I don't think we could hurt the population. The cats would get wiser and probably more secluded.

[JimmyHoffa]

Cougar could be open year round in Washington, with out hounds I don't think we could hurt the population. The cats would get wiser and probably more secluded.

You'd also get to hunt cougar when the fawns are dropping and most vulnerable.  Seems it would be a benefit to the deer to have cougar season during that time frame.

[AspenBud]

Lets see,  some time back Stevens Co. complained to the WDFW about their "Cougar" problem.

What came about from WDFW was a cut back of season and tags on Cats!

Wonder what the WDFW will do this time!??

Insert "wolf" everywhere it says cougar/mountain lion. The state of Washington has heard this story before, not to mention seen the hysteria. That's half the problem.

"Complaints were especially high in Okanogan County, where Washington's only recorded fatal cougar attack on a human occurred in 1924. Okanogan County commissioners threatened to declare open season on cougars, arguing that the increased number of complaints meant that there were too many cats. Rancher Joel Kretz, now a state senator, blames the hound-hunting ban..."

http://www.hcn.org/issues/368/17639

""One of the things we'll never get a handle on is the folks who move to the end of a box canyon in the middle of nowhere, and maybe they come from the city, and they see a cougar and say, 'Hey, I saw a cougar, you've got to remove him,' " Beausoleil says. "Well, no, that's not what we do. You're living in cougar country now." He hopes that one day developers, whose brochures tout the wildflowers, deer and elk in Washington's wild places, will tell people about all the bears and cougars, too."

Sure-and then you have WDFW protecting cougars and bears, and then if that isn't bad enough they open their arms for the the Canadian wolves that were introduced illegally. We have cougars coming into towns killing deer, so it can't be blamed on the folks living out of town. It's lack of predator control plain and simple.

Hunters take out just as many cougars as was done pre hound ban. I think the problem is not the quantity, but rather the where. Bearpaw and I had a rather heated debate about that if you recall but he's right in regards to where the hunting is allowed these days and how much is allowed.

[jasnt]

That maybe true aspenbud, its also possible that many cougar were not reported, depredation kills and such. My gramps told me they used to kill every cat they saw. It was just part of the farm life, all predators were shoot on sight basis. No one was called and nobody cared. It may have been illegal but it did happen. I think most of us agree that their are areas that need more cats taken yearly such as 101,113,117,121. These gmus have alot of cats.