Author Topic: Ammunition accountability act, House Bill 3359 (Read 19752 times)

actionshooter · « **on:** December 11, 2008, 05:29:07 PM »

Illegal to own ammo that isn't coded. What do you think?

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

huntnphool · « **Reply #1 on:** December 11, 2008, 05:47:33 PM »

What a crock, do they really really think the killers are going to give a rats ass, they are not the ones going in to purchase it anyway, they will get it black market the same way they get their guns, what a joke.

sisu · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2008, 10:01:47 PM »

Quote from: huntnphool on December 11, 2008, 05:47:33 PM

What a crock, do they really really think the killers are going to give a rats ass, they are not the ones going in to purchase it anyway, they will get it black market the same way they get their guns, what a joke.

I agree. Sad part is Washington State is one of the states supporting this bill.

DOUBLELUNG · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2008, 11:03:10 PM »

I think this act infringes on the right to BEAR arms, and is unconstitutional. I think representatives O'Brien, Williams, Flanagan and Pedersen, who introduced it, need a lesson in constitutional law. I think if you live in their districts, you should work like crazy to VOTE THEM OUT!

WonkyWapiti · « **Reply #4 on:** December 16, 2008, 06:09:08 PM »

The rising cost of ammunition is already putting the hurt on law enforcement training budgets across the country. I can only imagine how much more this encoded ammunition is going to increase those costs. Additionally, the bad guys are still going to get their ammo no matter what and I guarantee you won't be able to trace it back to them.

need2huntmor · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2008, 09:26:08 PM »

This same bill came up in last years legislature. If you are a NRA member, you can get email updates when bills like this come up in your state. I sent emails to my representatives. My two Republican reps sent emails back saying they would never support any legislation to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights. My one Democrat rep (who has since lost her reelection bid) sent out a form letter from one of her staff that only said it had died in committee. She obviously supported the bill. But luckily, the bill did die in committee last year, and never came to a vote in our legislature. Not surprisingly, it has come up again. I would urge everyone to email your reps. With all the Demos in office (locally and nationally), we need all the help we can get.

(I should clarify. Not all Democrats are Anti-Gun, but as a general rule, they tend to be.)

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2009, 12:18:18 PM »

I saw this somewhere else and Immediately sent a email to Mike Hewitt, Maureen Walsh and Bill Grant yesterday. Well I was surprised this morning to see an email back from Hewitt today. Guess they do work right after a holiday between weekends....
Here is Hewitt's reply.

"Cameron, Thank you for contacting me; I appreciate your thoughts. I am a gun owner, NRA member, sportsman, and I have always been a strong 2nd amendment supporter during my tenure in the legislature.Fortunately, this bill never even received a public hearing last session, so I did not have the chance to vote against it. Occasionally, bills are introduced to stimulate discussion on a topic, and while issues of gun control usually draw a lot of attention, they have a difficult time getting through the bicameral legislative system. If I can be of any further service, please call. Best, Mike(360) 786-7630"

So it appears that this bill is dead.
But stay on top of it as it will come up again.

actionshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2009, 05:32:50 PM »

Thats great.. I had not heard anything alse about it...... and I NEVER get a response

WDFW-SUX · « **Reply #8 on:** January 02, 2009, 05:37:28 PM »

Welcome to the new America.........

Al Bundy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:59:18 PM »

This will never happen.

It is a private company out of Seattle (http://www.ammocoding.com/index.php) that is trying to push this through. They couldn't get the ammo manufacturers behind the idea, so they tried getting legislation to do it instead.

For one, the ammo makers would have to keep a database of each numbered box and where it went. They make billions of rounds a year. Not gonna happen. Then retailers would have to keep a database of who bought what box. Not going to happen. Finally the state would have to keep another database at a huge cost. Not going to happen with all the budget cuts going on.

Of course the guys that came up with this idea will charge a licensing fee for EACH BULLET with this stamped on it, so they would get incredibly rich overnight.

If you want to give the company a piece of your mind, there is a Contact Us button on the page I linked to above.

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:22:36 AM »

HAHA, thanks Al.
They are going to love the email I just sent..

WDFW-SUX · « **Reply #11 on:** January 05, 2009, 07:33:46 AM »

I cant believe people would waste money on a company like that

FrankDown · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:32:06 PM »

I got a letter from my Sportman's Club today about this. However none of the letters or posts have any contact information on who to send letters and emails to. Who is the best person to send the letters to?

300UltraMagShooter · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:35:05 PM »

Don't worry as all the nea sayers on here have said, the Democratic party will never take away our gun rights. This has nothing to do with that...

Ray · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:47:58 PM »

Try your house rep

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,16120.0.html

FrankDown · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:50:43 PM »

I dont see where its necessarily taking away our gun rights. Any of our rights lost is chipping away one at a time. I dont want to have to go through extra steps of BS to reload for my Weatherby 300 mag, or anything else. If no one stood up for gun rights I can guarantee they'd be gone in no time. ITs that same thinking that got the gun ban in Illinois and Washington DC. Standing up and saying something got the rights back in DC. So doing nothing in complacency, and not a way to get or keep your rights.

FrankDown · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2009, 12:55:11 PM »

I emailed them about a friend that got killed with a hammer. I suggested they start a hemmer registration company. I had another friend killed with a 40 oz Old English bottle. Maybe the same can be done for glass bottles.

rasbo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2009, 01:10:08 PM »

Quote from: FrankDown on January 08, 2009, 12:55:11 PM

I emailed them about a friend that got killed with a hammer. I suggested they start a hemmer registration company. I had another friend killed with a 40 oz Old English bottle. Maybe the same can be done for glass bottles.

how bout those semi auto screw drivers

12Gauge · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2009, 12:13:54 PM »

What a bunch of crap that ammo accountability.

Those Anti's are attacking us from all sides.

Lead ban issues
gun sale taxes are predicted to go up
lead poisoning in animals killed by a bullet
ammo accountability
reinstatement of Bill Cliton's 1994 gun ban (in the works)
Veterans Disarmament Act (HR2640)
Greg Nickles trying to ban guns in Seattle owned property.

Maybe we should go hunting (research for info) for Anti's and expose them for what they really are, (stupid people)

Ray · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2009, 02:01:05 PM »

Why don't the politicians start being held accountable for selling our country away instead of trying to hold honest citizens accountable for a few bullets?

Them son of bit**es voted themselves a raise and want to talk about accountability!

bennybooboo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2009, 02:27:14 PM »

Here's the link: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

I printed and read the bill to be read in Olympia and it's totally outrageous that our House of Reps would even consider the idea of limiting access to ammo because they can't further limit access to firearms.

Don't let this bill pass because of the "passer-by" syndrome. If you don't call your Legislators who will? Tell your friends. Tell your family. Call the local gun shop. Call the local sportsman's club. Do whatever it takes to kill this bill dead.

Go to: http://www.leg.wa.gov and contact your legislators. There's even a handy-dandy thingy to help you find out who your legislators are and how to go about contacting them.

If this bill passes there won't be a reason to try to ban firearms. We won't have any ammo for them!

EH

FrankDown · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2009, 02:50:39 PM »

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx

Heres a link to go straight to part of it. You can click a button to send to all in your district.

Ray · « **Reply #22 on:** January 09, 2009, 02:51:35 PM »

yeah http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,15319.0.html

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2009, 03:05:35 PM »

This bill 3359 is dead ! I posted in another thread my reply from Mr Hewitt... I will attach again.

Cameron, Thank you for contacting me; I appreciate your thoughts. I am a gun owner, NRA member, sportsman, and I have always been a strong 2nd amendment supporter during my tenure in the legislature.Fortunately, this bill never even received a public hearing last session, so I did not have the chance to vote against it. Occasionally, bills are introduced to stimulate discussion on a topic, and while issues of gun control usually draw a lot of attention, they have a difficult time getting through the bicameral legislative system. If I can be of any further service, please call. Best, Mike(360) 786-7630

I am not saying that ist not good to contact your reps, in fact I reccomend it ! But the bill not on the books at the moment.

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2009, 03:08:59 PM »

I think that Co behind this bill round filed my email

Its been a while and havent heard a word from them.

sisu · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2009, 03:21:26 PM »

Quote from: Al Bundy on January 04, 2009, 11:59:18 PM

This will never happen.

It is a private company out of Seattle (http://www.ammocoding.com/index.php) that is trying to push this through. They couldn't get the ammo manufacturers behind the idea, so they tried getting legislation to do it instead.

For one, the ammo makers would have to keep a database of each numbered box and where it went. They make billions of rounds a year. Not gonna happen. Then retailers would have to keep a database of who bought what box. Not going to happen. Finally the state would have to keep another database at a huge cost. Not going to happen with all the budget cuts going on.

Of course the guys that came up with this idea will charge a licensing fee for EACH BULLET with this stamped on it, so they would get incredibly rich overnight.

If you want to give the company a piece of your mind, there is a Contact Us button on the page I linked to above.

Thanks for posting this information. I hope they have a parent company that is involved in some other type of business(es) that we could boycott!

FrankDown · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2009, 05:45:49 PM »

How can you boycott something like this? This is like Pet Turds Inc, who's going to buy it anyway unless someone makes you?

Their mailbox is full... Maybe they already abandoned ship. I doubt it though. THey probably applied for apatent and then tried to srtart gaining momentum on a serialized bullet to get rich quick.

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2009, 06:57:23 PM »

Hope their mail box is full from sound minded people who bombarded them with words of wisdom.

FrankDown · « **Reply #28 on:** January 12, 2009, 05:05:23 PM »

"This was a bill introduced in the House during the previous legislative session, which ended last March (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=3359&year=2007 ).

This bill didn't get a hearing last session. I don't know whether it will even be reintroduced this year or make it to the Senate for a vote.

Darlene"

This is the email I got today.

FrankDown · « **Reply #29 on:** January 12, 2009, 05:06:37 PM »

"This was a bill introduced in the House during the previous legislative session, which ended last March (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=3359&year=2007 ).

This bill didn't get a hearing last session. I don't know whether it will even be reintroduced this year or make it to the Senate for a vote.

Darlene"

This is the email I got today.

Doesnt mean they wont try to get it passed again. It kind of sucks that laws that are repeatedly shot down are repeatedly introduced.

dbllunger · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2009, 12:00:03 PM »

I contacted two of my three and both are very opposed and will vote no. I guess that is expected from NCW.

huntnphool · « **Reply #31 on:** January 18, 2009, 04:31:32 PM »

The only thing this would do is create criminals out of honest people. You can bet your ass that should this happen countries like China would start mass producing bullets and there would be a huge black market that even "honest Joe" would go to.

It hasn't worked for drugs what makes them think it would work for bullets, drugs are illegal and yet we have a huge problem with them getting into the country.

If it does go through I would try to get hooked up with some people out of the country to manufacture them, you would make $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #32 on:** January 18, 2009, 04:46:29 PM »

Ya Phool, we could go down to TJ open a plant hire cheap labor and smuggle them in just like the drugs that get brought accross the border ! Good idea, im in.

huntnphool · « **Reply #33 on:** January 18, 2009, 04:53:56 PM »

Quote from: NWTFhunter on January 18, 2009, 04:46:29 PM

Ya Phool, we could go down to TJ open a plant hire cheap labor and smuggle them in just like the drugs that get brought accross the border ! Good idea, im in.

I will leave the smuggling to the experts, there will be millions to be made just in manufacturing plus it wont be illegal. I'm sure the bullet manus. have already looked into this. Just like junkies, the people that want it will find ways to get it.

NWTFhunter · « **Reply #34 on:** January 18, 2009, 04:56:57 PM »

Hell we would be too busy tippin back drinks on the beach trying to spend all that $$ to be worried about the actual smuggeling part... I was just saying they could be smuggled in..

Clipboard guy · « **Reply #35 on:** January 28, 2009, 04:29:10 PM »

I don't want to be starting up a rumor mill but I just recieved a e-mail about ammo and upcoming legislation. The e-mail is as follows:

It has already started...

Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.
Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

Send to your friends in these states AND fight to dissolve this BILL!!

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:
http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

IMO the government can't keep track of sexual predators, illegal aliens or poachers.... Why do they think that this will be anything but a big cluster-*$#@!!!!

saylean · « **Reply #36 on:** January 28, 2009, 04:34:56 PM »

All my guns were stolen Jan. 20th...I dont know what to tell them...

boneaddict · « **Reply #37 on:** January 28, 2009, 04:41:02 PM »

shoot-em-dead · « **Reply #38 on:** January 28, 2009, 06:36:59 PM »

The site clipboard guy posted is for 2008 so maybey it is a dead issue

FrankDown · « **Reply #39 on:** January 28, 2009, 06:43:22 PM »

I got emails back that said it was dead.

However I dont see any harm in emailing your oficials to let them know that you are pro gun, or anti ammunition accountability law anyway.

12Gauge · « **Reply #40 on:** January 28, 2009, 06:54:32 PM »

Quote from: saylean on January 28, 2009, 04:34:56 PM

All my guns were stolen Jan. 20th...I dont know what to tell them...

Yes you do, they were all stolen. Just like mine

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