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[boneaddict]

TRUE.....more PC would be non-native I guess.

[igotbigbulls]

   i was just jokin around tryin to lighten the mood on this thread. its a hot topic and always will be for sure. im interested though that no one chose to make a reply to my comment about the i guess what would be called the untrained hunters that wound animals every year and leave them for dead and harvest another animal. why are these things not talked about?

[Practical Approach]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

[pianoman9701]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

I believe those numbers are included in the overall harvest statistics for that GMU.

[Practical Approach]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

I believe those numbers are included in the overall harvest statistics for that GMU.

Which numbers?  I know the damage harvest animals are not. 

[idahohuntr]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

I believe those numbers are included in the overall harvest statistics for that GMU.

They are. 

[pianoman9701]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

I believe those numbers are included in the overall harvest statistics for that GMU.

Which numbers?  I know the damage harvest animals are not.

I believe from talking with the game managers that you're incorrect about that. Damage harvest animals are included in total GMU harvest figures. You could write to Nate or Jerry Nelson to confirm if you wanted. 

[Practical Approach]

You know what else isn't discussed......The state does not report the hundreds of elk and deer that are harvested through the damage hunt program. 

Or there were 124,000 state hunters for deer last year of which at best 70% reported their harvest.  So the harvest report does not receive any information for roughly 37,200 state hunters.  Average success is 27% so could you say 10,044 deer were not reported or accounted for last year by state hunters?

I believe those numbers are included in the overall harvest statistics for that GMU.

Which numbers?  I know the damage harvest animals are not.

I believe from talking with the game managers that you're incorrect about that. Damage harvest animals are included in total GMU harvest figures. You could write to Nate or Jerry Nelson to confirm if you wanted. 

It has been confirmed that those numbers are not recorded.  This is partially the reason for the new WAC that requires landowners who receive damage tags to pay for them.  That way it gets entered into the grand online reporting process.  If it doesn't get entered via the online reporting system, then it isn't reported. 

[pianoman9701]

You just contradicted yourself. If landowners are now required to purchase a tag and report kills, as are hunters who are issued damage permit tags, then it's being reported. We of course can't account for people who break the law and don't report, much as we can't account for the number of wounded animals that go off to die. And, I wouldn't believe that the reported animals aren't being entered into statistics. 

[ribka]

Have done mentioned in your post. 2 years ago  2 tribal members came up and shot and left 6 elk to rot in a neighbor's field. Shot with a 22 mag. They were identified and caught and turned ove rto the tribe. End result was nothing. Back up again six months shooting pregnant does. A few on here like plateau care and want to do the right thing but unfortunately good ethical honest people like him have zero chance of getting voted into the council. Just my  but tribal politics seems to be only about enriching one's family members. And I grew up in Wisconsin next to the Chippewa Rez. Same there

For those who throw out the term "racist" I have on a number of occassions helped tribal members find a ceremonial cow. I will not be so generous when it comes to bulls and bucks.   

I also disagree with the notion that nothing can be done.  It think there are at least 3 potential avenues:

1. Provide evidence of wastage to tribal councils to seek resolution.  Give them license plates, photos, video etc.
2. Publicize as best you can any wastage or unethical behavior.  If something aggregious occurs and it can get air time it will put pressure on tribes to make more serious efforts to reduce or eliminate this behavior.  Tribes are sovereign...but nobody is immune from bad press.
3. The option I mentioned earlier, and where the state does have some control, take some of these units that the state attempts to manage for quality and trophy potential and turn them into general season units where the quality and trophy aspects are eliminated.  If we eliminate the easy pickings I believe the interest in the small group of tribal members who engage in these wasteful practices will be greatly deterred.  Do this for a couple traditional units important to tribes and I bet they will have great interest in working with the state on co-managing.   

[Practical Approach]

You just contradicted yourself. If landowners are now required to purchase a tag and report kills, as are hunters who are issued damage permit tags, then it's being reported. We of course can't account for people who break the law and don't report, much as we can't account for the number of wounded animals that go off to die. And, I wouldn't believe that the reported animals aren't being entered into statistics. 

Not on purpose.  This is a new law.  Previous harvest reports did not collect this information.  This next years report will collect damage tags given to landowners through the new law.  However,  that is only one type of damage tag.  There are multiple damage permits that are still being utilized that are and will not be reported through the online system.  Thus, still leaving all damage harvest other than landowner damage permits, unreported.

[bobcat]

There definitely must be some damage control deer and elk harvest included in the harvest reports, because I see many units with does and cows harvested, when there are no doe or cow season for those units.

[pianoman9701]

I believe that's also not completely correct. The MH damage tags are all reported and added into the numbers, as well. To which other damage tags are you referring that are not reported, other than owner permits and MH permits?

[curlewkiller]

I have not read anyone comment on Practical Approach's document that he posted and that the Nooksack tribe takes 75% of the deer in that area?  Or am I reading it wrong?

[Practical Approach]

I believe that's also not completely correct. The MH damage tags are all reported and added into the numbers, as well. To which other damage tags are you referring that are not reported, other than owner permits and MH permits?

Kill permits, hot spot hunts, there are at least 5or 6 different types. I will try to dig them up.