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[Practical Approach]

I have not read anyone comment on Practical Approach's document that he posted and that the Nooksack tribe takes 75% of the deer in that area?  Or am I reading it wrong?

Are you referring to the deer harvest link I posted for region 4?  That report does not report by individual tribe.

[pianoman9701]

I believe that's also not completely correct. The MH damage tags are all reported and added into the numbers, as well. To which other damage tags are you referring that are not reported, other than owner permits and MH permits?

Kill permits, hot spot hunts, there are at least 5or 6 different types. I will try to dig them up.

Cool, thanks. 

[curlewkiller]

What other tribes would be hunting in the Nooksack gmu?  I guess I mean tribal then...  and in rereading the document it looks like tribal members take around 75% or bucks.

[Practical Approach]

I believe that's also not completely correct. The MH damage tags are all reported and added into the numbers, as well. To which other damage tags are you referring that are not reported, other than owner permits and MH permits?

Kill permits, hot spot hunts, there are at least 5or 6 different types. I will try to dig them up.

Cool, thanks. 

Here is a link to three types.  I know there is or was one called a hot spot hunt as well.  Kill permits are the ones I believe that are falling through the cracks as far as being reported for the upcoming years.

[pianoman9701]

Invisible link it is, then?

[Practical Approach]

What other tribes would be hunting in the Nooksack gmu?  I guess I mean tribal then...  and in rereading the document it looks like tribal members take around 75% or bucks.
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There are 9 tribes that hunt all of the region 4 GMU's.  Essentially the Point Elliott treaty tribes.  No, that is not correct.  For the Nooksack GMU the tribes took 27% of the bucks and 75% of the does. 

[Practical Approach]

Invisible link it is, then?

Whoops.  http://wdfw.wa.gov/help/questions/90/Are+there+any+circumstances+when+a+landowner+can+legally+set+his%7B47%7Dher+own+hunting+seasons+and+regulations+on+private+property+in+Washington%3F

[boneaddict]

Interesting thing about all these programs.....they include you if you desire.  You can apply for tags, become a master hunter, hunt damage permits etc.   You can also buy that deer tag, elk tag, and contribute to "The economy" if you so desire.    These programs and statistics could include you if you saw fit to do it, but we all know logically......

why would anyone want to do such a thing

So lets summarize.......being PC of course.  All other ethnic groups are under plan A and Native Americans are under plan B.

[pianoman9701]

So really, only the "kill permits" are unrecorded. Are you saying that the numbers of kill permits issued would drastically affect the total statistics or are you just throwing it into the pot against the tribal kill complaints? And, do you know for a fact that when these permits are issued, they're not recorded? That seems to be the only category out of the three which applies to your comments. I have no idea how many kill permits are issued statewide each year.

[grundy53]

Smoke...

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[Practical Approach]

So really, only the "kill permits" are unrecorded. Are you saying that the numbers of kill permits issued would drastically affect the total statistics or are you just throwing it into the pot against the tribal kill complaints? And, do you know for a fact that when these permits are issued, they're not recorded? That seems to be the only category out of the three which applies to your comments. I have no idea how many kill permits are issued statewide each year.

Yes, starting for the 2014 season only kill permits will not be recorded.  It is up to the enforcement officers or damage coordinator as to what type of permit they will issue.  I don't think statistically statewide it makes a difference, but if you are in a permit area only restricted to a low number of tags and damage killed animals double your trophy bull tags, then think it warrants recording. 

I know for a fact that it is up to the regions to record the damage killed animals.  However, this information never makes it out to the public because it does not get recorded by the internet based harvest reporting system.  There is not a manual mechanism for WDFW employees to enter known harvest into the system. 


I am not trying to discount tribal kill complaints, I think it is worthy information that people know what is being disclosed by WDFW and what isn't. 

Only the WDFW regions know how many Kill Permits are issued. 

[pianoman9701]

I've written to Wildthing to find out if the damage harvests and/or kill permits are included in the overall harvest figures. I'll copy and paste when they get back to me.

[Practical Approach]

For instance......

Data I gathered from the Nooksack GMU. 

I understand that there are 50 bull tags for the Nooksack GMU.  Split 50/50 with the tribes.

Last season there were 33 Kill Permits issued and 30 of them were for elk.  Of these 30 permits 20 elk were killed and went unreported.

If you want to throw in all permits that were not in the state harvest report, 138 total elk damage tags were issued for the Nooksack herd last year.  74 total elk were harvested.  None of those showed up in the harvest report. 

[Hittm_good]

For instance......

Data I gathered from the Nooksack GMU. 

I understand that there are 50 bull tags for the Nooksack GMU.  Split 50/50 with the tribes.

Last season there were 33 Kill Permits issued and 30 of them were for elk.  Of these 30 permits 20 elk were killed and went unreported.

If you want to throw in all permits that were not in the state harvest report, 138 total elk damage tags were issued for the Nooksack herd last year.  74 total elk were harvested.  None of those showed up in the harvest report.

I wonder if that includes what the USDA killed over in Day Creek last year?  Remember all the big bulls shot in the middle of the night? Just curious is all.
 

[Practical Approach]

Nope.  It doesn't include those bulls.