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[grundy53]

I know this thread took a turn but I was a little surprised that nobody was concerned that damage hunt information is not being reported.  Especially given the level of harvest last year under the guise of damage in the Skagit.

I think there's a difference between the damage hunt not being reported and those numbers not being considered by the bios when making management decisions. Whereas, without reporting, we may not know the numbers but the WDFW does. I'm not sure that it's that big of a deal. I'd find it hard to believe that the scientists/bios aren't using that data in season planning, tag planning, future damage tag distribution, etc. Also, it's kind of a departure from the thread. Maybe a new thread is in order? 

  I'm sure they are using this information in the season setting proccess. Whereas they can only quess with most tribal harvest.

Interesting that you can assume that the state is utilizing this information for management, but you assume the tribal harvest is bogus?  (referring to the westside reports not Yakima)

I find assuming dangerous.

If you re read what I said I didn't say anything about westside tribes only. I included ALL tribes. Some of the biggest tribal harvests or harvest that have the most affect on critical herds are from tribes that don't report.

I find it amusing that you have the gall to tell me assuming is dangerous then YOU procede to assume that I'm talking about only westside tribes.

That is my fault I guess, I didn't follow my own rule and assumed we were talking about the unreported harvest in the Skagit where tribes do report harvest.

I know the thread started with that but I thought it shifted to a more general state wide discussion.

[huntnphool]

You know what I get tired of reading and hearing.........I'm sick of the truckloads, I'm sick of unequal rights, I'm tired of tribal poaching, etc etc etc................if people are so tired then step up with documentation, statements pictures anything that you will back up


Rant on................

I posted a pic of a tribal rig with a bull in velvet laying in the bed, going down the highway a couple months ago, interesting that you natives didn't have a bunch to say in that thread.

[PlateauNDN]

I thought I did reply in it? I did however save the pic from that thread.

[huntnphool]

I thought I did reply in it? I did however save the pic from that thread.

Originally posted in June

[bobcat]

I don't understand how or why it would help to document LEGAL hunting activity by tribal members! The laws need changed so some of what goes on is no longer legal. We can document everything we see but it does no good when we are then told "so what? It's legal."

[bobcat]

I thought I did reply in it? I did however save the pic from that thread.

Originally posted in June

I assume that's a Yakama tribal member, and if so, that's probably a legal kill. Their season for bull elk is year around, NO LIMIT.

[PlateauNDN]

I've checked around and I haven't been able to locate who the person is or what they were hunting for. As far as I know the kill is legal...unless someone has additional info.

[huntnphool]

I thought I did reply in it? I did however save the pic from that thread.

Originally posted in June

Their season for bull elk is year around, NO LIMIT.

 And responsible for a lot of the outrage these threads exhibit.

[huntnphool]

I've checked around and I haven't been able to locate who the person is or what they were hunting for.

  Yeah, the fact that the exact day, time of day, location and license plate number was given and does not give adequate information to get answers says a lot too.

 This is what adds fuel to the fire Plat, not that I'm suggesting you are the problem.

[PlateauNDN]

Ok, so what does day, time and driving down the highway have to do with identifying the person? Again, it appears to be legal so what are you expecting??? Oh wait, let me get my magic wand and wish something illegal to happen...........I save my favors for incidents that have the high probability  of being illegal so I don't waste anybodies time in l.e. I'm not going above and beyond if there's no possibility of illegal activity.......

[huntnphool]

Ok, so what does day, time and driving down the highway have to do with identifying the person? Again, it appears to be legal so what are you expecting??? Oh wait, let me get my magic wand and wish something illegal to happen...........I save my favors for incidents that have the high probability  of being illegal so I don't waste anybodies time in l.e. I'm not going above and beyond if there's no possibility of illegal activity.......

  Okay, okay Plat, I thought I was replying to your "I've checked around and haven't been able to locate who the person is or what they were hunting for"

 I thought it rather obvious with a elk in the bed and the license plate in clear view.

  After all, you did say you "checked around", so I took you for your word. Now you are saying you actually didn't "check around" because there is no sign of illegal activity. Just pointing out the contradiction.

[PlateauNDN]

No, I checked around with friends and family and nothing. I don't pull the favor card with old buddies in l.e. unless illegal activity is suspected otherwise it's a waste of time.

[grundy53]

Ok, so what does day, time and driving down the highway have to do with identifying the person? Again, it appears to be legal so what are you expecting??? Oh wait, let me get my magic wand and wish something illegal to happen...........I save my favors for incidents that have the high probability  of being illegal so I don't waste anybodies time in l.e. I'm not going above and beyond if there's no possibility of illegal activity.......

The fact that it's completely legal to kill a bull in June is a BIG part of the problem.

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[boneaddict]

 

[pianoman9701]

We're now at 8 pages and there's been no change in direction. Although I do agree there's a MAJOR problem in what is happening and am greatly concerned about the damage to our ungulate herds, I think the thread would be best served by addressing possible real solutions. The back and forth of accusations and anger hasn't accomplished one positive result, only more anger. We're talking about harvest which is legal under treaties adopted by Congress and endorsed by the President, harvest which is being done by individuals, not an entire tribal community. Sweeping generalizations which cover entire populations of people do nothing to move closer to a solution, especially when their actions are protected by federal law.

Is there an active WFW chapter in this area which has representatives who would be willing to request an audience for a respectful, well thought-out dialogue with the specific tribal council(s) whose members are taking these animals? In lieu of that, how about an independent group of HuntWA members who would be willing to meet and organize a presentation and request an audience?