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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2014, 10:47:02 AM »
WY will continue to assert its rights and tell the USFWS to pee up a rope. They're smarter by putting the needs of their citizens ahead of DC bureaucracy. You can tell a state what to do until you're lips turn blue. If they don't listen, there's little the feds can do but bluster.
USFWS does not oppose the current WY plan, its the environmental groups suing and winning.  Folks who think this is a state v. fed issue are ignorant on the subject.
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2014, 10:55:06 AM »
WY will continue to assert its rights and tell the USFWS to pee up a rope. They're smarter by putting the needs of their citizens ahead of DC bureaucracy. You can tell a state what to do until you're lips turn blue. If they don't listen, there's little the feds can do but bluster.
USFWS does not oppose the current WY plan, its the environmental groups suing and winning.  Folks who think this is a state v. fed issue are ignorant on the subject.

The USFWS will be required to try to uphold the court's decisions on wildlife management, regardless of the approved plan. Whether or not they get cooperation from the State of WY is another story altogether.
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2014, 12:10:33 PM »
and some of you guys wonder why a redneck takes it into his own hands and deals with an issue at hand, just like duct tape and bailing wire.    He isn't on the dole, he takes care of the important things first because no government is going to do it for him.   Go figure.   

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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2014, 12:22:52 PM »
and some of you guys wonder why a redneck takes it into his own hands and deals with an issue at hand, just like duct tape and bailing wire.    He isn't on the dole, he takes care of the important things first because no government is going to do it for him.   Go figure.

I don't wonder, Bone. And were I a rancher or someone whose livelihood was negatively affected/impacted by wolves, my take on poaching them would be entirely different. I'm not sure I'd be mailing the pelts to Canada, but I probably wouldn't sit on my hands while they ate my income, either.
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2014, 01:41:38 PM »
Some of you ASSUME that because a state has a "management plan" its a good thing. I would argue that the agreed "plan" we have in WA sucks, and the one that WY had was a fair compromise.

As we are finding out DoW is backing away from its financial compensation of livestock kills (to ranchers). Since the budgets of most game departments are shrinking how much "managment" do youthink is going to happen. There is a HUGE gap between the reality and the words being spewed.

Since hunting seasons and SSS cannot have a huge impact on  current wolf numbers, Why does the Greenies fight so hard against it? Because it is a tool that they can use to disrupt hunting, and the other things they disagree with.  :twocents:
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2014, 04:26:25 PM »
WY will continue to assert its rights and tell the USFWS to pee up a rope. They're smarter by putting the needs of their citizens ahead of DC bureaucracy. You can tell a state what to do until you're lips turn blue. If they don't listen, there's little the feds can do but bluster.
USFWS does not oppose the current WY plan, its the environmental groups suing and winning.  Folks who think this is a state v. fed issue are ignorant on the subject.


You are right there, state game agencies and the USFWS are both corrupt look at IDFG-USFWS-WDFW-USFWS-etc. history with wolves and the ESA.  It's hard to tell which is more corrupt as they are pushing the same agenda for the environmentalists.

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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2014, 04:50:48 PM »
WY will continue to assert its rights and tell the USFWS to pee up a rope. They're smarter by putting the needs of their citizens ahead of DC bureaucracy. You can tell a state what to do until you're lips turn blue. If they don't listen, there's little the feds can do but bluster.
USFWS does not oppose the current WY plan, its the environmental groups suing and winning.  Folks who think this is a state v. fed issue are ignorant on the subject.


You are right there, state game agencies and the USFWS are both corrupt look at IDFG-USFWS-WDFW-USFWS-etc. history with wolves and the ESA.  It's hard to tell which is more corrupt as they are pushing the same agenda for the environmentalists.
Yea, thats what it is...Wyoming and USFWS are in cahoots with the environmentalists to have their wolf plan rejected in court.  Really, everybody is in on this mass conspiracy except you and a couple guys with remote cabins way back in the hills.  :rolleyes:
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2014, 12:09:41 AM »
WY will continue to assert its rights and tell the USFWS to pee up a rope. They're smarter by putting the needs of their citizens ahead of DC bureaucracy. You can tell a state what to do until you're lips turn blue. If they don't listen, there's little the feds can do but bluster.
USFWS does not oppose the current WY plan, its the environmental groups suing and winning.  Folks who think this is a state v. fed issue are ignorant on the subject.


You are right there, state game agencies and the USFWS are both corrupt look at IDFG-USFWS-WDFW-USFWS-etc. history with wolves and the ESA.  It's hard to tell which is more corrupt as they are pushing the same agenda for the environmentalists.
Yea, thats what it is...Wyoming and USFWS are in cahoots with the environmentalists to have their wolf plan rejected in court.  Really, everybody is in on this mass conspiracy except you and a couple guys with remote cabins way back in the hills.  :rolleyes:

The only reason Wyoming are where they are is not because of their fish and game, it's because of their state legislators refuse to except a bogus wolf plan. But then you already know that.

Time to flop around like a fish out of water?  Maybe it's time you jumped back to some of your other wolf/USFWS theories.

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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2014, 08:15:29 PM »
This is the ruling.

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2012cv1833-68

The Judge basicly said that sice there was no guarantee from WY that they could maintain 100 wolves and 10 bps she turned protection back over to the feds.  She also said that wolves had recovered in WY and that the predator zone is ok.

Here is a release from WY's governor:

Governor Mead Signs and Files Emergency Rule for Wolves
 
CHEYENNE – In response to the ruling by US District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson placing the gray wolves back under the protection of the US Fish and Wildlife Service, Governor Mead today signed and filed an emergency rule establishing that Wyoming’s commitment under its management plan is legally enforceable. The emergency rule has the full force and effect of law immediately and is effective for 120 days or 240 if extended by the Governor.

The Wyoming Game and Fish Commission initiated the formal rulemaking process set forth in the Administrative Procedures Act that will make this emergency rule permanent. The Commission expects to complete the process in November.
 
The Attorney General also filed a motion with the US District Court today asking the Court to recognize Wyoming's management commitments are legally enforceable.
 
“Now that Wyoming has resolved the Court’s concern, I hope the Court will amend its ruling and allow Wyoming’s continued management of gray wolves,” Governor Mead said.
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Re: wyoming wolves protected again
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2014, 01:46:58 PM »
Anyone here in WA think they would see a response out of Jay Inslee like that one!!!!

 :yike: never happen!! too much a liberal!!

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And he and others like him are, Sicko's!
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