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Until they fear pro-hunting more than anti-hunting this is worthless. This isn't about biology or ecosystems, it's politics. Hunters eat their own. It's our fault. It's why we loose.
Quote from: AspenBud on September 29, 2014, 11:35:07 AMQuote from: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2014, 11:23:12 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on September 29, 2014, 11:15:33 AMQuote from: AspenBud on September 29, 2014, 10:57:55 AMQuote from: KFhunter on September 29, 2014, 10:52:26 AMWDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.Money buys influence and power.Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like. Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena. You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.Who influences WDFW or the people who tell them what to do? Again, who is the puppeteer? It's not WDFW, it's HSUS and their affiliates that are calling the shots via their influence and money. Change that dynamic and you'll see WDFW get more teeth on the matter.If what you're saying is true, then the entire WDFW administration should be fired for not knowing to whom they're responsible. Going after the HSUS will do no good. But proving a government agency is making wildlife management decisions based on the wishes of an organization from MI and getting them all fired for it just might. Either way, the WDFW is responsible for this mess and for ignoring the needs of our citizens who are affected by it.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on September 29, 2014, 11:23:12 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on September 29, 2014, 11:15:33 AMQuote from: AspenBud on September 29, 2014, 10:57:55 AMQuote from: KFhunter on September 29, 2014, 10:52:26 AMWDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.Money buys influence and power.Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like. Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena. You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.Who influences WDFW or the people who tell them what to do? Again, who is the puppeteer? It's not WDFW, it's HSUS and their affiliates that are calling the shots via their influence and money. Change that dynamic and you'll see WDFW get more teeth on the matter.
Quote from: idahohuntr on September 29, 2014, 11:15:33 AMQuote from: AspenBud on September 29, 2014, 10:57:55 AMQuote from: KFhunter on September 29, 2014, 10:52:26 AMWDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.Money buys influence and power.Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like. Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena. You're funny. I've got your good fight right here. Their (the WDFW's) outrageous wolf plan is the reason management hasn't begun already with the confirmed 13 packs and estimated 16. We should have a wolf season now. It's their fault we don't. You know it, too. But we all know that your unending love for the wolf and your favorite government institution is never-faltering.
Quote from: AspenBud on September 29, 2014, 10:57:55 AMQuote from: KFhunter on September 29, 2014, 10:52:26 AMWDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.Money buys influence and power.Correct...but given those tremendous obstacles by HSUS et al., wdfw has still managed to be tougher on wolves than any of those groups and their politicians would like. Sportsmen ought not to turn their backs on an agency that is fighting the good fight in a difficult and challenging political arena.
Quote from: KFhunter on September 29, 2014, 10:52:26 AMWDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.No, HSUS and their affiliates is the enabler and the enemy. They front the money that gets people into positions that matter. What happens at WDFW is largely a direct result of that.Money buys influence and power.
WDFW deserves all the criticism it gets by having CNW members sit on their commission and by accepting funds from various groups to bolster their reward for wolf poaching, range riders and other "wolf deterrents". They make livestock owners enter into a binding agreement that's full of red tape and beurocracy then give unfettered access to HSUS type groups to run around their private property. Then once all the deterrents fail they openly mock and criticize the livestock owner who just a week prior was "very cooperative with WDFW and various NGO groups" next thing you know they got 200 sheep gone and now have to foot the bill to find new grazing range and only get compensated for something like 18 animals. No compensation for all the fuel, manpower, loss of private grazing lands, 186 sheep unaccounted for and the PTSD like suffering of the rest of the sheep, aborted lambs, open and unbred ewes the list goes on and on. That sheep owner is lucky to see 2% compensation for his real losses. Yet they won't take money from the Cattlemen's association to help collar and track wolves. Yes, HSUS is the enemy; and WDFW is their enabler and co-conspirator.
