“Simply put, the government lied to minimize opposition to wolf recovery.”

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“Simply put, the government lied to minimize opposition to wolf recovery.”
http://www.wyfb.org/wyfb-foundation/foundation-programs/59-predation-lies-myths-and-scientific-fraud

[mkcj]

Good read, thanks WB.

[idahohuntr]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

[mfswallace]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

I'm sure it was just a simple mistake (  ) but U forgot to include all his  credentials...

 He received his Ph.D. in wildlife ecology from Utah State University, his M.S. in environmental studies and his B.S. in wildlife biology both from the University of Montana.

[idahohuntr]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

I'm sure it was just a simple mistake (  ) but U forgot to include all his  credentials...

 He received his Ph.D. in wildlife ecology from Utah State University, his M.S. in environmental studies and his B.S. in wildlife biology both from the University of Montana.

No. I was only including what he does now.  He is a politician...not a wildlife biologist.  My guess is he couldn't make it in the wildlife science field where you must use pesky things like data...usually these science wanna-be's that can't hack it end up in political jobs like this.  Adjunct associate bla bla bla...

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Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

I'm sure it was just a simple mistake (  ) but U forgot to include all his  credentials...

 He received his Ph.D. in wildlife ecology from Utah State University, his M.S. in environmental studies and his B.S. in wildlife biology both from the University of Montana.

No. I was only including what he does now.  He is a politician...not a wildlife biologist.  My guess is he couldn't make it in the wildlife science field where you must use pesky things like data...usually these science wanna-be's that can't hack it end up in political jobs like this.  Adjunct associate bla bla bla...

By golly this fits right about now!

http://oldmanoftheski.com/2013/02/23/eco-fanatics-why-do-they-hate-us/

[idahohuntr]

Yes it does...you keep repeating lies about how wolves are going to kill off ALL the game hoping that telling those lies repeatedly will make it come true...but all these folks keep posting pictures of all the bulls they are harvesting in id, mt, wy and it kind of ruins your exaggerated wolf claims. 

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Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

The wolf introduction has always been agenda driven and then we have pro's like you Idahohuntr who try to explain it away, but the facts are all on our side, as you have seen time and agin. You are entertaining though.

The Real FWS Wolf Recovery Agenda

That agenda has been promoted in “Society for Conservation Biology” publications by federal biologists involved in wolf recovery since Canadian wolves were first transplanted. David Mech’s “The Challenge and Opportunity of Recovering Wolf Populations” appeared in the 1995 Volume. 9(2) issue of “Conservation Biology.”

In 2001, environmental groups, including The Nature Conservancy and the World Wildlife Fund, joined with the National Park Service in creating a more sophisticated magazine called “Conservation Magazine” designed to sell the wildlands/biodiversity agenda to academia. In 2004 FWS Wolf Team Leader Ed Bangs praised a BS thesis by a biology student concerning non- lethal wolf “control” (later published in Conservation) and announced he had hired her as a wolf “specialist”.
Wildlife biologists in all three recovery states knew about the numbers deception but only Wyoming G&F, under pressure from its Governor, attempted to hold FWS to the original de-listing criteria. IDFG Director Groen’s Jan. 14th News Release declared the Department’s intention only to “stabilize” (halt the dramatic annual increase in) existing wolf populations in Idaho.
Because IDFG estimates Idaho had a minimum population of 732 wolves in the fall of 2007 that means F&G intended to maintain a minimum of at least seven times as many wolves in Idaho as we were told would exist after recovery. But pretending that the biologists’ estimated minimum fall wolf population is near the actual wolf population is simply another deception misleading Idahoans and their elected officials as will be illustrated later in this article.
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, any copyrighted material herein is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

Dr. Reed Noss: PHD "scientist", author, co-founder of Wildlands Project

William Soule: co-founder of the Society for Conservation Biology, serves on the Wildlands Project board and teaches in the Environmental Studies Department at the University of California at Santa Cruz.

John Davis: Editor of Wild Earth, the publication associated with The Wildlands Project

Dave Foreman: founder of the eco-guerilla group, Earth First and co-founder of The Wildlands Project
http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/wildlands_project.htm


http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00727/cwcs_executive_summary.pdf

Explanation of the Biodiversity Treaty and the Wildlands Project

What do Reserves and Corridors really mean?

While this effort has a noble mission, the implications are staggering. As noted in the June 25, 1993 issue of Science, it “is nothing less than the transformation of America to an archipelago of human-inhabited islands surrounded by natural areas.”
The 100 million acres of core area required for 1000 wolves is greater than the total land area of Maine, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut, (71 million acres). It would mean the nationalization of private land through regulation or other means, forcing people to move to areas zoned for occupation, and shutting down half of the agriculture, forest products and mining industries. Scarce resources means the rest of us paying double and triple for products made from these resources.

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20091223.htm

WOLF MONITORING

Since 2008 when this program’s remote cameras documented the first wolf pack in Washington in over 70 years, Conservation Northwest placed major focus on wolf recovery in Washington. As of March 2013, Washington is home to ten confirmed wolf packs making up over 51 wolves.5 Though the majority of these packs have established territories in eastern Washington, three packs now reside in the North Cascades. Conservation Northwest partners with the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife to implement the state’s wolf conservation and management plan developed in 2011. In addition to shaping wolf policy in Washington, Conservation Northwest through CWMP provides on-the-ground data used to better understand the distribution of wolves across the state.

The Wolf Conservation and Management Plan, written in 2011, identifies three recovery zones in Washington: Eastern Washington, the North Cascades, and the Southern Cascades and Northwest Coast.6 According to this plan, wolves will be considered recovered in the state of Washington if there are 15 successful breeding pairs for three consecutive years. Additionally, each recovery zone must have at least four breeding pairs for three consecutive years. To date, there are 12 packs in Washington, none of which have been documented in the Southern Cascades and Northwest Coast recovery zones.

http://www.conservationnw.org/what-we-do/wildlife-habitat/wildlife-monitoring/cwmp_2013_spring-fall_monitoring_report

[idahohuntr]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

The wolf introduction has always been agenda driven and then we have pro's like you Idahohuntr who try to explain it away, but the facts are all on our side, as you have seen time and agin. You are entertaining though.

I don't give a dam about wolf introduction.  You're living in the past.  Your claims about what effect they will have on ungulates (or have had) are all wildly exaggerated.  I don't believe you hunt so I understand why you may not recognize or be aware of the general status of deer and elk herds in and around the west...but most areas are actually doing quite well.  How do you explain that? Given that these wolves should have killed off all the game, and killed all the people, and their children, and their pets?   

[wolfbait]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

The wolf introduction has always been agenda driven and then we have pro's like you Idahohuntr who try to explain it away, but the facts are all on our side, as you have seen time and agin. You are entertaining though.

I don't give a dam about wolf introduction.  You're living in the past.  Your claims about what effect they will have on ungulates (or have had) are all wildly exaggerated.  I don't believe you hunt so I understand why you may not recognize or be aware of the general status of deer and elk herds in and around the west...but most areas are actually doing quite well.  How do you explain that? Given that these wolves should have killed off all the game, and killed all the people, and their children, and their pets?   

Did I hit one of your nerves? Maybe it's time for your nappy? Don't forget your blankie.

The Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd
http://idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2017%20Feb-Mar%202006%20The%20Northern%20Yellowstone%20elk%20herd.pdf

Yellowstone is Dead Theatrical Trailer  Yellowstone is Dead Theatrical Trailer

[idahohuntr]

Dr. Charles Kay is an Adjunct Associate Professor in Political Science and a Senior Research Scientist with the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University.

 

Simply put, the pro-wolf and the anti-wolf whackos are all liars playing a political game.   

The wolf introduction has always been agenda driven and then we have pro's like you Idahohuntr who try to explain it away, but the facts are all on our side, as you have seen time and agin. You are entertaining though.

I don't give a dam about wolf introduction.  You're living in the past.  Your claims about what effect they will have on ungulates (or have had) are all wildly exaggerated.  I don't believe you hunt so I understand why you may not recognize or be aware of the general status of deer and elk herds in and around the west...but most areas are actually doing quite well.  How do you explain that? Given that these wolves should have killed off all the game, and killed all the people, and their children, and their pets?   

Did I hit one of your nerves?

No, not at all. Good way to change the subject when you can't answer my question though 

[Duffer]

Thanx for the info WB 

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“Another lie is that wolf depredation on livestock is only a minor problem,” Dr. Kay said.  “100 percent of the wolf packs in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho have turned to killing livestock and I have this in writing from the USFWS and Wildlife Services.”

[idahohuntr]

“Another lie is that wolf depredation on livestock is only a minor problem,” Dr. Kay said.  “100 percent of the wolf packs in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho have turned to killing livestock and I have this in writing from the USFWS and Wildlife Services.”

Talk about a lie alright! 100%!! Give me a break.

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“Another lie is that wolf depredation on livestock is only a minor problem,” Dr. Kay said.  “100 percent of the wolf packs in Wyoming, Montana and Idaho have turned to killing livestock and I have this in writing from the USFWS and Wildlife Services.”

Talk about a lie alright! 100%!! Give me a break.

A lie? Were you there Ida? 

A wolf pack was finally confirmed in the Methow because they were reported to the state patrol, hanging out at a school bus stop, and in 2009 wolves killed a cow and calf in the Methow,  the rest of the wolf packs in WA have been confirmed due to livestock kills. That would be 100% for WA.

You sure are quick to criticize people that don't fit your wolf agenda.