Great Arguments Against I-594

[pianoman9701]

If you hand a police officer your firearm without going through a background check on him, you're a criminal, even if he requests it. I can find no verbiage in the referendum which allows this transfer. Holy crap!

A gun safety instructor wouldn't be able to effectively teach students how to handle and/or shoot a gun safely because if they handled his gun, that would be considered a transfer. No gun safety classes? Is that safe?

A grieving widow would violate the law if she didn't report her dead husbands firearms within 60 days of his death. A grieving widow! Who is the law protecting us from here?

You could give a gun to your minor son as a gift. Once he becomes an adult, if he lets you shoot or even just hold that gun without going through an FFL, he's a criminal.

[pianoman9701]

So, the bill does say that Law enforcement officers are exempt in the line of duty, but not civilians at the request of such officer.

From page 8 exceptions:
"(d) Any law enforcement or corrections agency and, to the extent
the person is acting within the course and scope of his or her
employment or official duties, any law enforcement or corrections
officer, United States marshal, member of the armed forces of the
United States or the national guard, or federal official;"

[Fl0und3rz]

Great points.  I was also thinking about the hunter's ed practicals and whether LE was somehow exempted for activities outside their normal course of business.   

But I did not have the time to chase through the initiative and referenced sections. 

I'd like to see some authoritative comments those (CCRKBA, No on 594, etc.) who do have time to research such issues.

Here are some good points as well. 

https://www.voteno594.com/media/1121/i594-08262014hq1.pdf

[pianoman9701]

Hunter Education Instructors will no longer be able to teach gun handling with real guns, nor will live fire be allowed.

[Hi-Liter]

Better hope 591 passes.

You with all the damn money that the seahawks (Paul Allen), Bill Gates, et. al have place to pass this bill, why don't they spend it in the schools to hire professional guard to protect them. Those people have such tunnel vision its unreal. They want all the protection but don't want you to have a gun.

[biggfish]

The crack pots envision a world without guns they just wrote this to be a stepping stone. It'll just pave the way for more bs I'm surprised they didn't include background checks for ammo purchases in the initiative.

[pianoman9701]

The crack pots envision a world without guns they just wrote this to be a stepping stone. It'll just pave the way for more bs I'm surprised they didn't include background checks for ammo purchases in the initiative.

Shhhhh!

[Hi-Liter]

The crack pots envision a world without guns they just wrote this to be a stepping stone. It'll just pave the way for more bs I'm surprised they didn't include background checks for ammo purchases in the initiative.

Shhhhh!

Because its the guns fault not the ammo's fault. They (the takers) in this ridiculous initiative probably don't know what the heck ammo is? Remember its the guns fault! all this is a big tax increase. Why do you think a couple of good ole boy prosecutors are in on it? promoting gov't change and taxes. Care less if you own guns.

[Wacenturion]

If goofy laws like this pass the first thing the NRA should do, in conjunction with individuals or other groups, is to take it to courrt and all the way to the Supreme Court if needed.

It's unconstitutional like most of the anti gun restrictions.............and would most likely be overturned.

[timberfaller]

here is the BEST argument against the gun grabbers!!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/10/06/michael-bloomberg-anti-gun-propaganda/?intcmp=obnetwork

[vandeman17]

This isn't going to help anything....

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2014/10/14/gabby-giffords-washington-gun-law/17254709/

[xd2005]

Hunter Education Instructors will no longer be able to teach gun handling with real guns, nor will live fire be allowed.

I would venture a vast majority of the time such an activity would fall under one or both of the exceptions emphasized below.

(4) This section does not apply to:
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(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such range is located; (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group that uses firearms as a part of the performance; (iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;

[pianoman9701]

Hunter Education Instructors will no longer be able to teach gun handling with real guns, nor will live fire be allowed.

I would venture a vast majority of the time such an activity would fall under one or both of the exceptions emphasized below.

(4) This section does not apply to:
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(f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such range is located; (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group that uses firearms as a part of the performance; (iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;

The key to the second line you highlighted is "a person who is under eighteen years of age". Adults are not exempted. In reference to the first section you highlighted, I'm unsure about the rest of the instructors here, but most of our classes are not done at a range. In addition, the live fire is often done not at a range, but in a field on WDFW property. Without background checks, I would be breaking the law by handing a firearm to an adult without first performing a background check.

[xd2005]

Good points. I went the online route, so my only hands-on experience for the course was at a range, same as my wife's, but I suppose the in-class training would be different.

[bobcat]

My daughter's hunter ed class was held at the Cabalas in Lacey, so at that class, only the students under 18 would be able to handle the firearms.