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Latest news I heard from people who know this guy. I'll just call him this guy. I know who it is and I'm not posting his name here. The WDFW isn't going to do a DNA test because they are afraid it will show that this wolf is a hybrid and not a purebred wolf which would make it a feral dog preying on livestock and they would have no case. This is what was told to them from an attorney. All hearsay at the moment but it might be true.
Quote from: idahohuntr on October 17, 2014, 10:52:49 PMQuote from: KFhunter on October 17, 2014, 07:58:34 PMQuote from: bigtex on October 17, 2014, 07:28:35 PMCan I shoot every deer and elk that walks through my yard because they might eat the rose bushes? I'm protecting my property right?Every couple years there is someone who shoots a bear on their property screaming "self defense" in WA and it turns out the bear was simply walking through their property and the guy decided to shoot it.Can I walk down the street and shoot someone because they might harm me?Truth is, we don't know the 100% truth/facts about this incident. Was the wolf simply out in a field and the landowner decided to go after it? Or was the animal creeping in on livestock, people, etc?We have a bunch of people supposedly "in the know" about the incident yet they can't even agree on similar stories.How about we wait for the investigation to conclude and the Whitman County Prosecutor to say something (which in this case they will) before we decide if this was a life/property threat or someone who saw a wolf and went after it. Deer? Rosebush?Is that like timber companies slaughtering bears by the 1000's because they're peeling trees? WDFW allows that..Every year someone is prosecuted for shooting a bear, WDFW arm chair QB's those decisions. They don't take into account if that person really and truly felt threatened but rather charge based on what they see at the scene, the bear corpse and totality of the circumstances. They can't soul search and make a determination that "YA, this person thought they were going to die" It's impossible. So it is possible some of those people really did think they were going to die or be seriously hurt, or that the bear might seriously hurt a loved one or pet, or livestock in the near future. WDFW doesn't and can't take that into account. Much like the farmer that this thread is about, killing that wolf in Pullman. What did the farmer truly feel at the time this incident took place? Only the farmer and one's who believe him will know. WDFW will only look at the wolf, the evidence and totality of the circumstances and like all cases arm chair QB it and choose to send the evidence forward or not - in this case they did; but that does not mean we'll ever really know what was in the heart of this farmer when he pulled the trigger on that wolf. If I'm walking down the street and someone pulls a gun on me must I wait until they harm me? Must I wait until the bullet impacts my chest?What we have is a bunch of people each looking through their own lens at this case, some will jump to the farmers side and some will jump to the wolf huggers side having landed on what ever side of the fence they've landed on long ago. Bigtex, I'm with you on this one...an animal walking across the landscape in and of itself does not mean it is automatically a defense of life/property situation. Simply seeing a wolf or a bear or a cougar does not mean you are going to be attacked or your livestock/pets/children/neighbors/grandma/whatever are going to be attacked. Lets see the evidence presented. If this farmer was truly protecting life/property, then he did good and I support him 100%. If the evidence shows that he chased the wolf down in a vehicle for several miles and shot it when there was never any danger to life/property he is a poacher. "There's no legal definition of "poacher" so no, he's not a poacher as there's no such thing." - KF Hunter Care to qualify or clarify that statement KF? I have pasted it here in its entirety. I must not be reading/interpreting it correctly when I see you write there is no such thing as a poacher? Surely that is not what you meant??? As BT points out, we'll see what the prosecutor determines. Based on WDFW statements to date it appears charges are likely. "Poaching" is a personal term, to me poaching is the stereotypical poacher taking animals for personal gain. It could be a poacher in Africa killing a rhino for a horn to sell, or someone poaching bears to sell their galls to Asian markets, or someone taking Elk to sell to restaurant vendors. It's the guy road hunting in the middle of the night with a flashlight, tossing a deer in the back of the truck and racing off with his prize. I suspect your personal meaning of Poacher is very similar to mine. "Poaching" does not encompass a farmer/rancher/concerned parent killing a dangerous animal to protect their loved ones or livestock. The farmer does not have anything to gain but a lot to loose in doing this. He's taken a stand and hasn't run from the consequences. Takes a lot of gumption to do that then turn yourself in knowing you probably won't get a fair shake by WDFW/Wolf huggers and certain HW members. Had the farmer shot a cougar would this have made HW and other media? Today it's wolves and tomorrow it'll be someone shooting a Grizzly in the WDFW's grizzly recovery zone. Legally there is no definition of poacher, so the farmer will not be charged with "poaching" as you've stated. Your just attempting to slander the farmer by publicly branding him a POACHER!!! before his side of the story is even known. I also have my doubts the farmer will get a fair shake by WDFW given their history of deceit, hopefully there'll be some clear heads in the county court house.
Quote from: KFhunter on October 17, 2014, 07:58:34 PMQuote from: bigtex on October 17, 2014, 07:28:35 PMCan I shoot every deer and elk that walks through my yard because they might eat the rose bushes? I'm protecting my property right?Every couple years there is someone who shoots a bear on their property screaming "self defense" in WA and it turns out the bear was simply walking through their property and the guy decided to shoot it.Can I walk down the street and shoot someone because they might harm me?Truth is, we don't know the 100% truth/facts about this incident. Was the wolf simply out in a field and the landowner decided to go after it? Or was the animal creeping in on livestock, people, etc?We have a bunch of people supposedly "in the know" about the incident yet they can't even agree on similar stories.How about we wait for the investigation to conclude and the Whitman County Prosecutor to say something (which in this case they will) before we decide if this was a life/property threat or someone who saw a wolf and went after it. Deer? Rosebush?Is that like timber companies slaughtering bears by the 1000's because they're peeling trees? WDFW allows that..Every year someone is prosecuted for shooting a bear, WDFW arm chair QB's those decisions. They don't take into account if that person really and truly felt threatened but rather charge based on what they see at the scene, the bear corpse and totality of the circumstances. They can't soul search and make a determination that "YA, this person thought they were going to die" It's impossible. So it is possible some of those people really did think they were going to die or be seriously hurt, or that the bear might seriously hurt a loved one or pet, or livestock in the near future. WDFW doesn't and can't take that into account. Much like the farmer that this thread is about, killing that wolf in Pullman. What did the farmer truly feel at the time this incident took place? Only the farmer and one's who believe him will know. WDFW will only look at the wolf, the evidence and totality of the circumstances and like all cases arm chair QB it and choose to send the evidence forward or not - in this case they did; but that does not mean we'll ever really know what was in the heart of this farmer when he pulled the trigger on that wolf. If I'm walking down the street and someone pulls a gun on me must I wait until they harm me? Must I wait until the bullet impacts my chest?What we have is a bunch of people each looking through their own lens at this case, some will jump to the farmers side and some will jump to the wolf huggers side having landed on what ever side of the fence they've landed on long ago. Bigtex, I'm with you on this one...an animal walking across the landscape in and of itself does not mean it is automatically a defense of life/property situation. Simply seeing a wolf or a bear or a cougar does not mean you are going to be attacked or your livestock/pets/children/neighbors/grandma/whatever are going to be attacked. Lets see the evidence presented. If this farmer was truly protecting life/property, then he did good and I support him 100%. If the evidence shows that he chased the wolf down in a vehicle for several miles and shot it when there was never any danger to life/property he is a poacher. "There's no legal definition of "poacher" so no, he's not a poacher as there's no such thing." - KF Hunter Care to qualify or clarify that statement KF? I have pasted it here in its entirety. I must not be reading/interpreting it correctly when I see you write there is no such thing as a poacher? Surely that is not what you meant??? As BT points out, we'll see what the prosecutor determines. Based on WDFW statements to date it appears charges are likely.
Quote from: bigtex on October 17, 2014, 07:28:35 PMCan I shoot every deer and elk that walks through my yard because they might eat the rose bushes? I'm protecting my property right?Every couple years there is someone who shoots a bear on their property screaming "self defense" in WA and it turns out the bear was simply walking through their property and the guy decided to shoot it.Can I walk down the street and shoot someone because they might harm me?Truth is, we don't know the 100% truth/facts about this incident. Was the wolf simply out in a field and the landowner decided to go after it? Or was the animal creeping in on livestock, people, etc?We have a bunch of people supposedly "in the know" about the incident yet they can't even agree on similar stories.How about we wait for the investigation to conclude and the Whitman County Prosecutor to say something (which in this case they will) before we decide if this was a life/property threat or someone who saw a wolf and went after it. Deer? Rosebush?Is that like timber companies slaughtering bears by the 1000's because they're peeling trees? WDFW allows that..Every year someone is prosecuted for shooting a bear, WDFW arm chair QB's those decisions. They don't take into account if that person really and truly felt threatened but rather charge based on what they see at the scene, the bear corpse and totality of the circumstances. They can't soul search and make a determination that "YA, this person thought they were going to die" It's impossible. So it is possible some of those people really did think they were going to die or be seriously hurt, or that the bear might seriously hurt a loved one or pet, or livestock in the near future. WDFW doesn't and can't take that into account. Much like the farmer that this thread is about, killing that wolf in Pullman. What did the farmer truly feel at the time this incident took place? Only the farmer and one's who believe him will know. WDFW will only look at the wolf, the evidence and totality of the circumstances and like all cases arm chair QB it and choose to send the evidence forward or not - in this case they did; but that does not mean we'll ever really know what was in the heart of this farmer when he pulled the trigger on that wolf. If I'm walking down the street and someone pulls a gun on me must I wait until they harm me? Must I wait until the bullet impacts my chest?What we have is a bunch of people each looking through their own lens at this case, some will jump to the farmers side and some will jump to the wolf huggers side having landed on what ever side of the fence they've landed on long ago.
Can I shoot every deer and elk that walks through my yard because they might eat the rose bushes? I'm protecting my property right?Every couple years there is someone who shoots a bear on their property screaming "self defense" in WA and it turns out the bear was simply walking through their property and the guy decided to shoot it.Can I walk down the street and shoot someone because they might harm me?Truth is, we don't know the 100% truth/facts about this incident. Was the wolf simply out in a field and the landowner decided to go after it? Or was the animal creeping in on livestock, people, etc?We have a bunch of people supposedly "in the know" about the incident yet they can't even agree on similar stories.How about we wait for the investigation to conclude and the Whitman County Prosecutor to say something (which in this case they will) before we decide if this was a life/property threat or someone who saw a wolf and went after it.
Just received a message that another wolf was spotted today in the same area. I hope to receive a pic?
Quote from: denali on October 24, 2014, 04:13:03 PMJust received a message that another wolf was spotted today in the same area. I hope to receive a pic?There have been daily wolf sightings on the outskirts of Pullman since this shooting. Last weekend a friend saw a Black wolf chasing a deer on Klemgard Rd near Ewartsville Grain elevator.
Quote from: LDennis24 on October 24, 2014, 10:09:23 AM Latest news I heard from people who know this guy. I'll just call him this guy. I know who it is and I'm not posting his name here. The WDFW isn't going to do a DNA test because they are afraid it will show that this wolf is a hybrid and not a purebred wolf which would make it a feral dog preying on livestock and they would have no case. This is what was told to them from an attorney. All hearsay at the moment but it might be true. Well then ..if this is true then his lawyer should be demanding a DNA TEST [/quoteI believe first and foremost, that the state moving forward with any case should be pending a dna test. If it is a hybrid, no charges..............however, I can see the state NOT revealing the outcome if it doesnt support their agenda........and yes, this is all agenda driven.
I don't think we ever have to worry about a wolf pack getting established in Whitman County. The environment just seems to be hard on 'em.
I was in Pullman all weekend I didn't see nothing but Cougars and some Vandals. Not a single wolf.
Quote from: MarkyMark on October 26, 2014, 09:37:30 PMI was in Pullman all weekend I didn't see nothing but Cougars and some Vandals. Not a single wolf. Did you shoot them?I hear they are a detriment to society and need strict population controls
Quote from: Alchase on October 31, 2014, 12:49:31 PMQuote from: MarkyMark on October 26, 2014, 09:37:30 PMI was in Pullman all weekend I didn't see nothing but Cougars and some Vandals. Not a single wolf. Did you shoot them?I hear they are a detriment to society and need strict population controls The cougar population more than doubles one weekend a year. It is an AWESOME sight if you have never experienced it before. It can become a real "slayfest"
lone wolf just passing through? Did they use a jump to conclusion mat?
