Are wave machines legal?

[CP]

Thanks.

[irishevox]

welcome

[JBG]

Wait wouldn't a mechanized device maintaining a hole in otherwise frozen water be the exact definition of a "decoy"?  I suppose the definition of decoy is up to whoever is standing there with a ticket book.

[gaddy]

think i'd be inclined to have a copy of that with me.

[EWUeagles]

So then this would be legal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmlhsI7Lrgk&safe=active
It's not attached to the decoy at all but does the same thing a wave machine does.

[CP]

So then this would be legal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmlhsI7Lrgk&safe=active
It's not attached to the decoy at all but does the same thing a wave machine does.

That's how I read it.  I just ordered a couple of these - on sale now at Cabelas.

[irishevox]

i would assume so but I am not that one that makes the rules, I just ask the question

[bobcat]

A decoy looks like a duck. Isn't that the definition of a decoy?

[ghosthunter]

Place waterfowl decoys prior to 4:00 a.m.; allow or permit waterfowl decoys to be unattended or not in your immediate control for a period greater than one hour; or fail to remove waterfowl decoys within two hours after the close of established daily hunting hours on days open to waterfowl hunting on department owned or controlled lands, waters, or access areas.
• Place waterfowl decoys on lands or waters controlled by WDFW except as authorized by permit of the director, on days closed to waterfowl hunting on department owned or controlled lands, waters, or access areas.
• Hunt waterfowl or wild turkeys using live birds as decoys.
• Hunt waterfowl, turkey, or deer with the use or aid of battery-powered or other electronic devices as decoys.

I am not convinced based on the last sentence.

Is the use of a vibrating puck in the water decoying? You are using it to attract or decoy birds, Are you not?

[CP]

de·coy
noun
noun: decoy; plural noun: decoys
ˈdēˌkoi/

    1.    a bird or mammal, or an imitation of one, used by hunters to attract other birds or mammals.
    "a decoy duck"

    2.   a pond from which narrow netted channels lead, into which wild ducks may be enticed for capture.

verb
verb: decoy; 3rd person present: decoys; past tense: decoyed; past participle: decoyed; gerund or present participle: decoying
dəˈkoi/

    1.     lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap.


Nothing in there about a vibrating puck.

[JBG]

verb
verb: decoy; 3rd person present: decoys; past tense: decoyed; past participle: decoyed; gerund or present participle: decoying
dəˈkoi/

    1.     lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap.

--Isn't your electric puck or wave machine used to "lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap"? Seems pretty cut and dry unless you could convince the LEO that the puck was . . . for . . . err . . . uhhhhh something other than luring or enticing ducks away from their intended course into your trap.

[Curly]

verb
verb: decoy; 3rd person present: decoys; past tense: decoyed; past participle: decoyed; gerund or present participle: decoying
dəˈkoi/

    1.     lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap.

--Isn't your electric puck or wave machine used to "lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap"? Seems pretty cut and dry unless you could convince the LEO that the puck was . . . for . . . err . . . uhhhhh something other than luring or enticing ducks away from their intended course into your trap.

I'd say that the way the rule is written, they are talking about as a decoy as a noun, so the definition as a verb does not count. 

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• Hunt waterfowl, turkey, or deer with the use or aid of battery-powered or other electronic devices as decoys.

[full choke]

verb
verb: decoy; 3rd person present: decoys; past tense: decoyed; past participle: decoyed; gerund or present participle: decoying
dəˈkoi/

    1.     lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap.

--Isn't your electric puck or wave machine used to "lure or entice (a person or animal) away from an intended course, typically into a trap"? Seems pretty cut and dry unless you could convince the LEO that the puck was . . . for . . . err . . . uhhhhh something other than luring or enticing ducks away from their intended course into your trap.

I'd say that the way the rule is written, they are talking about as a decoy as a noun, so the definition as a verb does not count. 

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• Hunt waterfowl, turkey, or deer with the use or aid of battery-powered or other electronic devices as decoys.

I still say you guys are reading the rule wrong, but that is just me. You are dwelling on the "decoy" part, but ignoring the "AID" part. The way I read it is:

Hunt waterfowl, turkey, or deer WITH THE USE OR AID OF BATTERY-POWERED OR OTHER ELECTRONIC DEVICES AS DECOYS.

It is the AID part that I feel will get you. You are using battery powered devices to aid in decoying the birds...

I say go for it. Use te hell out of those battery powered shakers. Just be sure to post up the results...

[Curly]

But it says "as decoys" so as long as the electronic device isn't a decoy it should be okay. Plus wdfw confirmed that it would  be okay; I'd  go for it.

[Jellymon]

Come on guys, it's obvious what the law means and is trying to accomplish. Quit trying to bend words and make grey areas work to suit what you want. Just use a jerk cord setup, or is this generation of cell phones and electronics too lazy to pull on a cord?